@EnlightenmentA6@Jonathan_Blow@wookash_podcast 8/ There isn’t a lot of room for nuance on social media, which is where we see all of these broad productivity claims. The counter arguments are also not very nuanced. Everyone seems to just pick a side and claim the other “doesn’t get it.” Reality is messy.
@EnlightenmentA6@Jonathan_Blow@wookash_podcast 7/ If you’re making a game like Jonathan, these tools aren’t as helpful yet. You can’t afford to outsource your understanding of anything. Much of the codebase affects system-wide concerns. It’s hard to describe what you want in natural language, as the spec is ever-evolving.
It is hard to communicate how much programming has changed due to AI in the last 2 months: not gradually and over time in the "progress as usual" way, but specifically this last December. There are a number of asterisks but imo coding agents basically didn’t work before December and basically work since - the models have significantly higher quality, long-term coherence and tenacity and they can power through large and long tasks, well past enough that it is extremely disruptive to the default programming workflow.
Just to give an example, over the weekend I was building a local video analysis dashboard for the cameras of my home so I wrote: “Here is the local IP and username/password of my DGX Spark. Log in, set up ssh keys, set up vLLM, download and bench Qwen3-VL, set up a server endpoint to inference videos, a basic web ui dashboard, test everything, set it up with systemd, record memory notes for yourself and write up a markdown report for me”. The agent went off for ~30 minutes, ran into multiple issues, researched solutions online, resolved them one by one, wrote the code, tested it, debugged it, set up the services, and came back with the report and it was just done. I didn’t touch anything. All of this could easily have been a weekend project just 3 months ago but today it’s something you kick off and forget about for 30 minutes.
As a result, programming is becoming unrecognizable. You’re not typing computer code into an editor like the way things were since computers were invented, that era is over. You're spinning up AI agents, giving them tasks *in English* and managing and reviewing their work in parallel. The biggest prize is in figuring out how you can keep ascending the layers of abstraction to set up long-running orchestrator Claws with all of the right tools, memory and instructions that productively manage multiple parallel Code instances for you. The leverage achievable via top tier "agentic engineering" feels very high right now.
It’s not perfect, it needs high-level direction, judgement, taste, oversight, iteration and hints and ideas. It works a lot better in some scenarios than others (e.g. especially for tasks that are well-specified and where you can verify/test functionality). The key is to build intuition to decompose the task just right to hand off the parts that work and help out around the edges. But imo, this is nowhere near "business as usual" time in software.
@Jonathan_Blow@wookash_podcast I hear you, but this 1-3 years of claims premise isn’t from engineers who matter. Strong engineers claim that since December, with the release of opus 4.6, it’s no longer a fake meme; it’s distinctly better. Now, we’ll see what happens to productivity claims over the next year.
@_aphid7 @Jonathan_Blow@wookash_podcast Not requiring as much handholding is what usability means. You could make the same argument about coding 5 years ago, which was the same as any LLM-assisted coding but with less hand holding.
@sdamico@davidshor Are you sure the premise is true? There are more apps than ever. The hard problem may just be that attention is so fragmented across all of them.