Brian Gilbert

[Brian Gilbert @koaxialkable]

@vxunderground "Security by absurdity."

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@EricCMeadows @ThoughtfulSaint Ah. I get it now.

Pure simplicity.

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@SnarkyRevAlan @Latterdaytruth I applaud your faith in your church, Reverend, but your argumentation is like a child's tantrum.

I hope you're doing okay.

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@SnarkyRevAlan @Latterdaytruth Yeah, it's hardly proving anything when you look at a thing with multiple easily-inferred potential meanings, choose your favorite, and then pretend the others don't even exist.

You have to see that you haven't proved anything, right? You've made an unsubstantiated claim.

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@MarkRome17 @yjacket1 @stackerco Well, obviously. Just as the Old Testament was fulfilled and a higher order was introduced with Christ's coming, new covenants and practices were again introduced with the Restoration.

Matt. 16:18 uses "ekklēsia" for "church," which only refers to people.

As in, His followers.

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@MarkRome17 @yjacket1 @stackerco So it seems we agree that Acts and Thessalonians predict a falling away and a restoration, but we disagree simply on timing.

And yes, we are the same church of Jesus Christ as was established t Him anciently, just in the latter days.

Same church, different dispensation.

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@MarkRome17 @yjacket1 @stackerco Paul prophesied it in 2 Thessalonians, and the various signs of Christ's return that were to watch for are abundantly signaling His return draws near.

But where was the falling away?

He that has an ear, let him hear.

Be not deceived.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 Two main reasons.

Because ancient prophets said that it would happen, and because a prophet says that it did.

Signs of the last days seem evident that we're in them, so it holds that the "falling away" would have already happened as Paul described in 2 Thessalonians.

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@MarkRome17 @yjacket1 @stackerco Oh, interesting.

Are there any who claim that Peter, James, and John, themselves, came to lay hands on a head to restore priesthood keys and authority?

Any non-LDS claim to rival the authority claim of the Orthodox church?

Genuine question.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 That's a good distinction to make.

I respect orthodoxy in general. It's a clear cut above Protestantism in terms of approach, consistency, and legitimacy.

I hold, however, to the Great Apostasy and a Restoration, as I'm sure you're aware.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 Portions of it.

Which is hardly a tall order.

A curated subsection of all scripture, bound together into a single volume and then galvanized as the only word that has ever mattered or will ever matter?

That's the tall order.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 Matthew teaches us that we can know true prophets from false prophets by their fruits.

If Joseph Smith is to be believed, then God, Himself, has said that the Nicene Creed is an abomination.

That's the contention to be made, here, regarding the Nicene Creed's correctness.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 I'll admit that I haven't studied him, specifically.

Potentially.

But even prophets called of God are still mortal men and can still make episodic errors or judgement or interpretation. Do not blindly trust someone in all things simply because they were chosen.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 Our perfect bodies were created by God to serve as vessels for His children begotten in the spirit.

So, yes, in that sense.

It's only through the Fall that incorruption put on corruption, and is only through Christ's grace that it again becomes whole, as God made it.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 It seems to have been.

Which is not to say that diminishes its legitimacy. Coming together in council is hardly something to be concerned about.

The issue is when God reveals to a prophet that they arrived at incorrect conclusions, which He always promised he would do.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 The truth about the nature of man and God is consistent throughout scripture.

The scriptures as a whole paint a very clear picture that we are or can be joint inheritors with Christ in all things that He receives from the Father.

We're all one lineage, God and Christ and man.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 From what I've read, which is admittedly only a handful of hours worth, the Nicene Creed does have the appearance of a group of bishops arguing (mostly) either Trinity or Arianism, until one concept remained.

This does have at least the appearance of being decided by committee.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 There is not a time that exists in any material sense for us wherein God was not God, as you say, even from everlasting to everlasting.

That's not out of line with the claim that "As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be."

No contradiction, only misunderstanding.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 When I first actually read the Nicene Creed, I was surprised to find that it was fairly... normal. Not alien to LDS teachings, but there are three occlusions on which we differ:

1. God the Father is the Almighty God.
2. He is our literal father.
3. Separate personhood of Christ.

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@yjacket1 @stackerco @MarkRome17 It only negates the scripture according to our human concept of time, which is not necessarily His concept of time, and if your understanding of God is limited to very specific or individual measures.

These ideas are not disharmonious with scripture.