@DDawg34204877 @MarkNanneman @Erasmus1355774 @WeWuzTrumpet@j2nik @orthowamen I have studied it for 30 years and have yet to see an Orthodox believer give a legitimate answer to this: Why did your bishops sign it; but now you rejected it?
If Your bishops were wrong, then your faith is void. If they were right, you are wrong, and need to follow Eugene IV.
@jarldietrich No composition can still have influence; the NO is very similar to certain protestant services; there's been a huge drop in faith in the Sacrifice/Real Presence; the strongest NO prayers are rare and optional. But Paul VI did correctly say water baptism was a salvation absolute.
Not to mention the robber ‘council’ of Ephesus (449), which was not universally accepted by the Church. Same can be said with the robber council of V2. Not universally accepted.
@DDawg34204877 @MarkNanneman @Erasmus1355774 @WeWuzTrumpet@j2nik @orthowamen You really don't know what you are speaking of here. A Council is only infallible if the Pope or his reps sign it.
Who signed *first* at the Council of Nicaea? The Popes representatives, even though they were not even bishops!
Rome was always supreme.
More 1500s anti-BOD proof:
After the Council and Catechism of Trent, the Church's ancient dogma of Church membership for salvation (EENS), alone tied to water, Pope Gregory XIII then dealt with those, *who had not been admitted into the family of Christ (the Church) by baptism.*
@schmitt4545@SardonicSede BOD advocates, including their sede priests, believe people who reject Christ, such as pagans and jews, are saved.
That is an anti-Catholic and antichrist position.
Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for not going to Rome, not for BOD. Stop misleading people.
@badatcatholic@ShroudJesus@Mwarning515@matthew_sede Baptized infants are saved without desire for Penance or Eucharist. Your faith is based not on Papal Infallibility, but on speculating theologians who many times disagree with each other, are fallible, and at times change their minds and reverse opinions. This is the problem.
@Physiologus11@FrDesposito@FrLavery @matthew__theo @todayandgone1 @KevvyGillikin @AsTheRain1 @Rob_Benson1917 @MilesDomini@Skanderbeg1405@fighthefall I am against the legalism that has corrupted the Church. One should not use 1917 Canon Law as an argument here, because; for example, it allowed usury. Every knowledgeable Catholic knows this. Usury will always will be a mortal sin. Moral truth never changes.
Here the SSPX @sspxen correctly notes in their missal that water baptism and being buried with Christ in water baptism are an absolute for salvation. Hopefully, this group also stops insisting on the opposite: that BOD saves people. BOD is so destructive because of false hope.
Our goal should be Christian charity--salvation for potential converts. Catholics who continue to insist that there is salvation outside of the sacrament of baptism, that Christ Himself instituted, are unfortunately doing serious damage to those who could potentially convert.
@crossroads_23 @27Paulus Original sin is sin. Babies are born under the curse of Adam. Also, check out Canon 4 on the sacraments. It is clear no one is justified by faith alone.
Charlemagne was an incredibly devout warrior-king. You might even call him a religious fanatic.
A passage from his letter to Pope Leo III describing the partnership between priests and knights.
@chunguskitten@1_lauren28@digesttom It should come as no surprise to anyone how falsehoods and wolves will purposefully mislead many…right into the jaws of hell.