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In case anyone needs a reminder

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob I think you're aware how wrong you are on this but refuse to admit it no matter what. Your choice obviously.

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob Peter never taught of a different Elohim, your argument is absurd

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob It was part of the doctrinal temple endowment for 25yrs, it was literally part of the doctrine. People lived and died worshiping Adam as God the Father, instructed by several prophets and leaders, singing hymns of praise to such for generations. For them it was doctrine.

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob It's a huge problem, it shows anything they claimed as truth and divinely confirmed could be wrong and you can't trust their judgement on whether the Holy Spirit confirmed it. Young and others cited Smith as the one who taught them Adam is God the Father.

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@Wafflewarf @dttpeople Interesting claim. The simple answer is he knew he made all of the "translations" up and that no one was capable in his own community was capable of correcting his supposed translations and people eventually were able to determine his Kinderhook and Papyri "translations" false.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate They prophets and leaders testified they were confirmed on Adam being God the Father and the only God for us to do and that the Holy Spirit was strong upon them during the sermon delivering the revealed truth... So we can't trust their testimony.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate Oh there's plenty of evidence, I would call it overwhelming even if you personally don't.

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@Wafflewarf @dttpeople It's strong evidence he wasn't able to do "translations"

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob The problem is that even when presented with overwhelming evidence of blatant incoherencies in Smith's stories, abilities and teachings many from your group simply turn yourselves into pretzels making excuses rather than tackling the issues head on.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate Like I said, doesn't change anything I've said, I'm fully willing to give that the plates existed, but no one knows what was written on them as Smith didn't use them to tell his stories to his wife and some others while his face was in a hat with a rock without consulting plates.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate No it came from one of the witnesses who altered their testimony to they saw them with spiritual eyes and expanded that they all had done so.

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@AlderNate @Jacob1832Jacob I've never claimed he translated by revelation, so this doesn't apply to anything I've pointed out.

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@Wafflewarf @dttpeople That's the best you got? Called out on a bunch of lying and deception going on and you change it to, "Does this prove Smith wasn't a prophet?" Smith's teachings prove he wasn't a true prophet of God the Father. Smith taught of a different Elohim than that of Abraham and Moses.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate The 3 witnesses saw the plates "with spiritual eyes". Regardless, no one knows what was written on the plates, if anything, like we see with the Kinderhook Plates. The early prophets and leaders testified of spiritual confirmation of the teaching that Adam is God the Father too.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate In Smith's mind, no one anywhere near in his vicinity could read any form of Egyptian glyphs so whether they were real or fake no one else would be able to tell, including him apparently as he said he translated a portion even though it was just random etchings.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate My view isn't that Smith fabricated the gold plates, he just didn't translate from them. He told stories to his wife and some others while his face was in a hat with a rock. There's no way to know if those stories had anything to do with anything written on those gold plates.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate Also, he didn't translate the gold plates at all, so I'm not sure what that has to do with these? He had his face in a hat dictating the book of Mormon without looking at the gold plates.

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@Jacob1832Jacob @AlderNate Character*. There was only one character that looked anything like what was in his notes and it means breath, or breathing, not anything to do with a story about lineage.

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@PhysInHistory Because a singularity cannot exist. By the universal laws and our understanding or beliefs on general relativity a singularity would be exponentially stronger than a black hole. Even if it could theoretically exist, it could never escape its own state.