@csokipofa so, Laika isn't valid? art that takes time has no value? what's your point?
why is the only thing any AI bro ever fucking thinks about is production time, optimization, ROI, prompts, cost, automation
never the art itself. never fair pay. never the passion. never other artists.
@SixSic74687@GlaciocasmUser@ZephyrKibago@_BBStan_@DigitalRoadE thats... any art tho? what's the value of a painting you'll just hang on the wall? this artist is providing personal art, not offering their service for an animation studio. the alternative is not buying the art. the value is having your character animated.
@ZephyrKibago@_BBStan_@DigitalRoadE so you're just going to ignore the part where i said $10/frame like that isn't being underpaid? split it into separate still images and $10 would be criminally underpaid. idk what else to tell you, this is just the price. im not gonna tell a welder they deserve to be paid less.
@ShitpostingCen1@DigitalRoadE THIS!! its like a welder trying to set the wage for a hairdresser. if you don't understand the market, shut the fuck up. you aren't doing the work nor paying for it. normies discovering how much animation costs.
@ZephyrKibago@_BBStan_@DigitalRoadE art. is. expensive. just because it is expensive, does not make it a scam. a scam would be if i took your money and ran, or used AI. Artists are entitled to charge what they need to in order to survive, and $10/frame per 24 frames is below min wage in hours.
@bigbropatchwork people have the right to hate ai. that shit looks fucking awful. "30% ai" is delusional when i can't find a SINGLE asset that isn't slopgen.
also, no matter how much time you spend making something, people arent obligated to like it. make shit for yourself, not for a cash grab
@ZephyrKibago@_BBStan_@DigitalRoadE uh... yeah? that's how the market works?... are you calling artists scalpers? are you advocating that artists should NOT ask for fair pay? if anything, the AI is the scalper, since it's stealing work and selling it back.
@okaiokaiokaio@Hai4RT@DigitalRoadE what are you actually even talking about? "most loved works uses ai" name ONE. just ONE thing that has Ai involvement that people love. AI is ALWAYS the weakest link and the thing that rapidly lowers the quality. and wdym money worth more than art? my passion isn't your market.
@okaiokaiokaio@Hai4RT@DigitalRoadE have you even seen AI "animation"? it looks horrendous, it's nowhere NEAR the level of humans.
i don't really get your point though? is it that animators need to be paid LESS? AI bros are gonna use AI regardless of the price of real artists. just price a fair wage.
@filanimac@DigitalRoadE then why aren't north american animators paid better? why aren't welders paid pennies then? its getting more and more saturated but they're still paid quite well (most the time). Everyone wants something animated, but nobody wants to pay artists well, therefore, underpaid.
@FoolOfElysium@DigitalRoadE are you comparing forced slavery to a voluntary passion?
we control the world we live in, we can say artists get paid more and then that can happen. Technology could enable artists to get paid a UBI by taxing the AI companies that stole their work if we wanted.
@woweden@_BBStan_@DigitalRoadE as someone in the commission space, i can confidently say that's not how that works. virility doesn't really translate into sales as much as you'd think, especially for something as niche a $250/s animation. anyone who was going to buy, already followed them.
@SYDGamesStudio@AndrewDarovich "I'm not forcing you to not steal, but you're forcing ME to not steal!!"
it doesn't matter how you feel, it's built on stolen content, and using it is immoral.
I am genuinely curious though why you feel like it's not stolen?
@PlayUGC Could not be further from the truth. I'm an artist, I hate AI because it insists on replacing what I love doing. I LOVE CREATING. the thing it's replacing IS the process i love. And i want to see other artist's passion. Art is NOT a product. its a PROCESS. Ai is Anti-Human.