"Just give Europe to Russia"
The one thing about Russian diplomacy is that it is never subtle. They are remarkably open about their demands. This is why it's so infuriating to keep reading nonsense about Russia not having imperial ambitions, Russia not threatening Europe, and NATO provoking Russia.
Here's the most democratic leader Russia has ever had, Yeltsin, talking to Clinton in 1999:
"Yeltsin: Bill, Bill... I've not yet ceased to believe in you. I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian.
Clinton: So you want Asia too?
Yeltsin: Sure, sure, Bill. Eventually, we will have to agree on all of this.
Clinton: I don't think the Europeans would like this very much.
Yeltsin: Not all. But I am a European. I live in Moscow. Moscow is in Europe and I like it. You can take all the other states and provide security to them. I will take Europe and provide them security. Well, not I. Russia will."
Nothing has changed. This was and remains the Russian demand. Who are they going to provide security of Europe from? Themselves. This is basically your neighborhood thug demanding a free hand from the sheriff to extort you at will.
Putin demands the same today. The subjugation of Ukraine is merely a necessary step in the process of an attempt to dominate Europe. He needs the US out in order to do this, and the people currently at the White House do not understand that they will play straight into his hands.
Clinton and Yeltsin were talking as if the Europeans were just a prop to be handled between them. Trump and Putin are doing the same now.
The problem is that Europe today isn't the Europe of 1999. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has crystallized the Russian threat for many even if the publics remain complacent. The Europeans will back Ukraine to the hilt. If this causes the US to disengage, it would mean Europe will have to face Russia on its own, perhaps with the help of overseas allies who also understand what's going on. With a weakened deterrent, Moscow is more likely to push until it gets into a shooting war with Europe. Abandoning Europe increases the risk of war, and it's not going to be a war that the US would be able to watch from the sidelines.
The best guarantee of peace is a firm commitment to Ukraine, stopping Putin hard there, and distributing the defense burden within NATO to handle Russia and China together because, believe me, these two are not going to be splitting up anytime soon.
Source: https://t.co/BcSyCAN8GJ
@KenRoth If he really is a good deal-maker, then Europe taking responsibility for a deal and spending more on defence is working. Otherwise he is just pandering to his base and trying to clumsily fulfil an election promise with no regard for anything else.
@donalt Maybe he knows R isnt going to agree to any deal short of total surrender, so he scuttled the US deal which forces Eu to step in and make the deal. All the risk and responsibility is now on Eu to enforce it.
@timo_bult@donalt Moments like that prove that either T is an imbecile, or that this was a staged event to humiliate Z. Perhaps both, but imo it was definitely a setup.
@donalt double trap, first ambush and humiliate Zelensky, then allow Europe to show support/outrage and step in, tying them to their own security. Either they want us to spend more, or to hasten the collapse of EU. Maybe even ideological and geostrategic aims are incompatible.
@UrbanKaoboy How is Zelensky supposed to just sit there and agree with lies and Russian talking points? It's a terrible deal, designed to give minerals in exchange for what could only be a de facto surrender. Putin's demands are maximal.
@peterApinto@shashj That's right. It's why he was messaging mostly about "ending the death". Nothing about democracy, sovereignty or standing up to dictators.
@shashj It seems as long as he gets to mine "raw earth" he's happy to give Putin a demilitarised Ukraine with a new leader, and plenty of time to continue grey zone tactics to corrupt and weaken Ukraine into a puppet state. I think it's really that simple. Putin wouldnt agree to less.