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@ShirtlessKirk @JohnCleese Well best of luck with that.

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@ShirtlessKirk @JohnCleese Rightly or wrongly, Officers do not need to state a 'section number' etc. One could argue if it's a regular piece of legislation they use day to day, they should. But its not required in law.

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@AaronBastani As someone in the job, I’ve been to MANY situations like this. Nearly every time, there’s no evidence to support allegations, and when there is, action taken by police enflames things. Also, people can’t evict anyone.

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@robsmit54519473 @apoliticaleye @metpoliceuk @HantsPolice You realise that in France or Italy or even any other part of the world, what’s seen in this footage is restrained?

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@joanithejourno @PC_Angry You’re watching the proof.

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@RSA_Observer @POCX100 @delestoile ‘The view’ - And it’s a doctor from Poland who admits in the post that he doesn’t have any information other than the judges sentencing remarks.

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@sotontimes Try holding onto an Officer like that in France or Italy and the bloke would be in hospital…

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@DonnaDlm71 @TedHastings25 @leembroad Not saying they shouldn’t have checked more thoroughly, just offering my opinion on what I think their thought process was, or atleast the male officers.

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@Roswell1977 @TheMercianNews So if I chuck something at you but miss and you are not injured, you’re saying there’s no offence? Haha, have you never heard of attempted assault!?

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@TedHastings25 @leembroad Pretty sure the officer just thinks Henry was a drunk bloke who'd just assaulted someone. He obviously didn't think he'd actually been stabbed so was nicked like any other drunk person. Obviously a bad misjudgement though.

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@Roswell1977 @TheMercianNews 'Set fire to a bin and push it at Officers'. - Fixed it for you.

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@Perrichamps @JennyAThatcher Interestingly though a lot of older people/boomers view the police growing up as more efficient, safe, 'don't fuck with' etc etc then todays. Which is ironic given the Police was more objectively racist/corrupt than it is now.

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Handcuffing is still judged as a use of force within the police, albeit it is seen as a very low use of force in most contexts. It isn’t judged by PACE codes exclusively, but it still has to stand the reasonable/proportionate test, if it ever gets that far.

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Talking about ‘arrest’ in the physical definition. On that point, I’m not disputing. 2/2

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Right, but we’re talking, intentionally or not, about two different things. In terms of Police world, we can detain people for a search or arrest them for an offence. Both can be used with or without handcuffs. I was talking about arresting for an offence, you are 1/2

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder That’s correct, they wouldn’t be free to leave, but there is a difference between being physically ‘under arrest’ and verbally under arrest for a specific offence under PACE. I was replying to original commenter regarding circumstances in which handcuffs can be, and are used.

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder An officer SHOULD as reasonably practice, either detain or arrest under a power/offence when it’s figured out ASAP to justify keeping that person in cuffs lawfully. But in the first minutes/seconds, the person can be put in cuffs simply to control the scene. 2/2

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder I’m not sure what your point is? I’m saying if an officers tells someone they’re under arrest, they’re under arrest, if they’re detained, they’re detained. Just because they’re in handcuffs doesn’t necessarily mean either. 1/2

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@LevettRoblev1 @katheder Policing. Officers can use a few use of force powers (depending on circs), both Section 117 Pace (if used after a pace power),Common law or section 3 criminal law act.Once and Officer is able to establish if the person in the cuffs is involved, they either formally detain/arrest.