@maolesen@AmalyaPharma@Similar89@DannyTheZebra Because a 70 year old obese woman with 5 pre existing conditions should be vaccinated just as much for covid as a 16 year old healthy male....right?
Same results with both right? (sarcasm)
@maolesen@AmalyaPharma@Similar89@DannyTheZebra Yes, when you lump all cohorts together, you can show an overall effectiveness.
But when you actually drill down into cohorts, what you find is many who didn't need the covid vaccine because they didn't achieve a reduction in hospitalization or death
@jsm2334@DrNeilStone OK so explain Peter Hotez in this clip if "the model of annual boosters doesn't look like a winning strategy".
Is Hotez Wrong?
https://t.co/3T7fbyKGZB
This 45-second clip with Dr. Peter Hotez is difficult to watch.
A mom from Texas desperately asks him why she keeps getting “really bad” COVID.
She got three COVID shots, took multiple rounds of Paxlovid, but she keeps “getting COVID often.”
Dr. Hotez tells the woman that her repeated COVID infections are basically her fault for skipping boosters.
WOMAN: “I’m getting COVID often. I took Paxlovid the third time, and then a few weeks later I got it again. COVID was really bad on me.”
HOTEZ: “After you had your first two immunizations way back in 2021, did you get boosters regularly?”
WOMAN: “I got one booster, and then after that I stopped getting them.”
HOTEZ: “Yeah. So that’s the reason why you keep up with the boosters.”
The saddest part about this interaction is that the woman was so convinced by Hotez that getting COVID was her fault that she was eager to get another booster shot after the show.
This is an extreme case of medical gaslighting that is easy to spot.
But what about when it’s not?
What about the times you did everything your doctor recommended—only to find yourself worse off than when you started? 🧵
@DrNeilStone Just one issue:
There is currently no approved or reliably effective against this version of Ebola (Bundibugyo virus) so how can anyone be called anti vax as it relates to this strain?
@maolesen@AmalyaPharma@Similar89@DannyTheZebra Classic dodge. You claim 'it's from COVID' and wave away the timing of excess deaths/clotting spikes right after rollout.
Why the immediate post-vax signal instead of delayed occult damage? Where's the controlled data showing future COVID harms outweigh confirmed vaccine signals?
@maolesen@AmalyaPharma@Similar89@DannyTheZebra If COVID's 'occult sequela' will be such a massive 2030s wake-up call, why have we seen excess deaths and clotting issues spike right after the vax rollout instead of years later?
Where's the controlled data showing those hidden damages outweigh confirmed vaccine signals?
@maolesen@AmalyaPharma@Similar89@DannyTheZebra This is not true if you look at specific cohorts.
But yes if you lump everyone together in a single monolithic group, by putting 70 year old obese people with 5 pre existing conditions with healthy young 16 year old boys, you dilute the data enough to be "right"
@jsm2334@DrNeilStone The question is at what point is the waning's protection diminished to the point in which it is no longer effective?
At that point the protection level is close to zero and that group can in fact be compared to the unvaccinated group.
@SO_ca_LoVE@jckessler75@SarahIronside6 Authors admit residual confounding. Population averages don't disprove real individual harms.
Stop gaslighting people with strokes.
@SO_ca_LoVE@jckessler75@SarahIronside6 This study doesn't prove vaccines prevent strokes or heart issues. It's observational during peak pandemic — lower rates are driven by healthy vaccinee bias (healthier people got jabbed first), high-risk people delaying shots, and reduced COVID infections (which cause clots).
@LiberateNDs If you are only blaming "anti vax" then please explain this:
80% of people got the first 2 doses.
Less than 20% came back for the bivalent booster even though public health claimed it was needed to "stay up to date".
How did you lose 60% of your original core believers?
@thereal_truther@AaronSiriSG It's pretty simple:
He is against any vaccine protected by the liability shield.
He doesn't need to see any data to have this position.
@all_beings212@jakescottMD@SecKennedy Imagine how easy it would have been for the democrats to win.
A few simple, minor adjustments and none of this would be happening.
@jsm2334@DrNeilStone Seems to me that if the vaccine wanes over time and people need to stay up to date, then eventually the base rate fallacy disappears
@MauritzPreller@baric_branko Simple concepts?
I tell you in the US 80% took the first 2 doses and 60% didn't come back for a booster and your reaction is to send a New Zealand link.
@MauritzPreller@baric_branko If 80% believed they were safe and effective and then 60% don't come back for a booster, clearly something happened between those first 2 doses and the booster being recommended that had 60% say no more.
This isn't a 2% got a rare event so only 2% didn't take it.
It's 60%!!!!!!