I made a bit of a tone deaf comment on this post, and a couple of Twitter bros called me out on it, rightly so. This woman says people can make marriage an idol, and I replied, people can make anything an idol. As Calvin said, the human heart is an idol factory. But what I was thinking when I wrote it was, what a stupid thing to say, not that I agreed with her. Of course marriage can be an idol, but that's not the point in an age of marriage rates going through the floor. One of those replies to me was by @Texasnacho, and it was spot on:
Anything can be an Idol, but if you look at our culture, we don't have a problem with marriage being one of them. We have the opposite problem that marriage and children are held in such low regard, even within the church, that we are on the precipice of demographic collapse. God's first commandment to mankind is "to be fruitful and multiply." Anything that goes against that is from Satan.
The idols of our culture is education, degrees, and careers.
I wrote a post on, "Marriage and the Great American Baby Shortage," so I'm on the right side in this debate. I'll link to it in the comments.
@plampts87@Ligonier Do you just assume they’re all porn addicts? Most of the men I know either:
1.) Aren’t
2.) Hide it really well
Perhaps you are projecting?
Well, she did uncover a big part of the problem:
“….when women had to marry just to survive.”
The problem is exactly what feminism has wrought. It has made men “unnecessary” and even unappealing to women. Little wonder why we’re in the mess we’re in!
By the way—my ego is utterly unaffected. I’m already very happily married.
@prolifefrenchie Infidelity is so evil, God allows divorce upon such grounds. Granted, it if not a command, but an allowance. Who am I to demand what God does not?
“One excruciating problem faced by single women is caused by the unwritten rule of our society that allows men the freedom actively to pursue a marriage partner while women are considered loose if they actively pursue a prospective husband.
No biblical rule says that a woman eager to be married should be passive. There is nothing that prohibits her from actively seeking a suitable mate. On numerous occasions, I’ve had the task of counseling single women who insist at the beginning of the interview that they have no desire to be married, but simply want to work out the dimensions of the celibacy they believe God has imposed upon them.
After a few questions and answers, the scenario usually repeats itself: the young woman begins to weep and blurts out, “But I really want to get married.” When I suggest that there are wise steps that she can take to find a husband, her eyes light up in astonishment as if I had just given her permission to do the forbidden. I have broken a taboo.
Those seeking a life partner need to do certain obvious things such as going where other single people congregate. They need to be involved in activities that will bring them in close communication with other single Christians.”
- RC Sproul
@verityandhope@Veritas1646@Ligonier As the population declines, single women will cease to find biological or spiritual children. Unless we count cats.
You’re right: there’s no good men left. Best have no children or legacy. When that longing for a family overtakes you past your child-bearing years, comfort yourself by surrounding yourself with cats.
You will eventually stop attending church as any of your friends will be married with children, which will absolutely eat away at you (and I’ve seen this happen, too). But…. At least you’ll have fulfilled the greatest feminist dream of having a graduate degree, a career, and many cats to comfort you as your life sunsets and the population declines.
In all seriousness, though: you don’t think that godly men have similar concerns? Many women now make money with OnlyFans (gross), are being radically liberalized, and revel in singleness and independence: not a woman any man is looking for.
@SomethingLatin@Ligonier Porn is definitely a problem. Not going to deny it. I honestly do not think that is worse today than it was when I was married over a decade ago.
As a young man, I was once addicted to video games. Family life drives that desire out of men.
@JVartndesign@Ligonier Well, as a very happily married man with many children (for over a decade), past child-bearing years, now: Why don’t you just tell me how I supposedly treat my family?
My wife homeschools. No desire to have a career. She doesn’t aspire to garden, art, or crafts.
She loves it.
@Ihateudot@Ligonier I think this is mostly an excuse to justify one’s desire to follow their own way instead of God’s. Not saying all women ought to marry, but when this is the conviction of the majority rather than the minority, there is something deeply wrong.