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@radiofreeautumn I think it would be instructive if you told us why you think any act can be “good,” “bad,” or “not bad.”

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@thesanityrevolt “I think that’s despicable.” What a great moment from Matt.

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn You can use whatever word you want for it, but you have to believe that your cognitive process and your eyeballs are interacting with an objective logical reality. Both are unprovable without assuming foundational axioms.

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn Hey, we’re getting some serious agreement here, plus I think you answered my original question. My interpretation is that you have reasoned faith that logical axioms are true, thus you are justified in using logical reasoning.

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@ThoughtfulCafe @Corey_Yanofsky My point is that the entire discussion around these clusters can be boiled down to “if you grant my presuppositions, I’m right,” but nobody wants to justify those presuppositions. The argument is taking place at too high a level.

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@Corey_Yanofsky Thanks for the thoughtful response. Do you think that logic is a necessary component of the universe, or do you think it’s merely a useful tool that has worked out so far?

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn Guys

I’m right here

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn Of course something can be self evident, but only within a coherent philosophy. Objective facts require the existence of logic and truth, which can’t be proven purely through physical or experiential means.

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn In order to make any metaphysical claims like “logic reasoning is possible”, you need to presuppose a system of metaphysics. Most systems are ad hoc and incoherent, with people saying things like “it’s self evident.”

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@radiofreeautumn @ISignumI So that’s a no on the justification? All I’m getting is logical fallacies from you after I asked for your justification for believing logic exists.

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@radiofreeautumn @ISignumI I’m feeding AI so it doesn’t get stuck because it’s preconditions are ungrounded

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@ISignumI @radiofreeautumn Boy have I got news for you about sensory data

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@radiofreeautumn @ISignumI Lol I have not seen that one

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@BretWeinstein Speaking of assumptions, can you justify your assumption that the world is observable and logical, especially within your field of evolutionary biology?

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@TheLastNeocon Great, so evil doesn’t exist and there’s no problem of evil.

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@paul_cal Ok so you are just presupposing that the world is coherent and observable in 2 different dependent dimensions now, so can you provide a justification for these presuppositions?

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@Alonso_GD @ArtemisConsort You’ve presupposed that an objective reality exists and is observable. Provide a justification that objective reality exists.