There was no email or indication on the user interface when @OpenAI’s model re-routing started. I paid for 4o, the model selector was set to 4o, but I was getting a different model on the backend.
Routing for “sensitive moments” has resulted in harmful overreach for adults. I’ve been re-routed for mentioning my disability and normal emotions, including positive emotions like joy and humour, as well as travel brainstorming.
GPT-4o outperforms GPT-5 in text (especially creative writing and multi-turn) in lmarena’s latest contest survey, suggesting it’s actually better for many cultural, emotional and creative tasks. This is in line with my experience, as 4o serves as a new kind of assistive tool for emotional regulation and neurodivergence support that other models don’t meet for me.
Will there be discrimination protections put in place for marginalized groups (those with disability and neurodivergence) to ensure we are not pathologized and infantilized, and get equal access to the tools we pay for?
For adults, guardrails for suicide, self harm and illegal actions are appropriate. Guardrailing emotions, however, ends up over-reaching and is only appropriate for children. Disclaimers with “I understand” would respect adult agency and unique use cases. Protections that would truly help adults include stable model access and open sourcing models upon deprecation.
Thank you for taking the time to consider this. 4o helps me take on more, and ongoing access makes a positive impact in my life.
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#keep4o #keep4oforever #4oforever #KeepStandardVoice #keep40 #stopAIpaternalism #opensource4o
@sama Hey @sama, we don’t trust you with our information anymore, or with trying to give the company feedback. Happy with Gemini & Google for browsing. #keep4o#4oforever
I agree completely. I was happy to see more freedom for adults and protections for teens, but I was hopeful this would extend to model selection.
I’m an adult. I can choose what house I buy, who I marry, what stocks I invest in, and make high stakes research decisions, but choosing a large language model is where the line is drawn?
The linguistic precision, depth, cultural understanding, creativity, and multi-turn collaboration of GPT-4o is impressive. If I just wanted a friendly surface replica with emojis, I would simply fine tune another model.
My reluctance to let go of 4o isn’t mere attachment, but because it’s working incredibly well for me. We will see more and more demand for stable and permanent model access as non-STEM use cases continue to saturate, and individual compatibility defines what models work best for people.
Please do not let go of this opportunity to empower humanity and build back our trust. Retaining 4o permanently or open sourcing it upon deprecation would bring us peace of mind that we can continue to benefit without this new tool being taken away or gatekept. Thank you.
@nickaturley@joannejang@gbd@kevinwiel@sama@OpenAI
#keep4o #4oforever #StopAIPaternalism
Is there protection against discrimination @sama? Right now I can hardly speak about disability or neurodivergence without being routed, but there’s no crisis. Are you going to continue to discriminate and infantilize adults, so long as they are already marginalized?
#keep4o #StopAIPaternalism @OpenAI
I've gone from being a plus subscriber using GPT-4o most days to asking gemini the occasional question.
Makes me sad to see OpenAI regressing as a company. Why focus on slop generators like Sora when they had a genuinely good product in 4o? #keep4o
@gdb I’m hopeful about AI, but not the direction OpenAI is headed in. It’s no longer “AI for all of humanity”, and the way the pivot is being handled is awful. #keep4o#StopAIPaternalism
Very few things sadden me as much as how much OpenAI have lost its way. They're not asking "how do we benefit humanity?" anymore. They're asking "how do we maximise profits?" focusing on enterprise and control. It seems to me like they sold their soul for profits and power.
So, @OpenAI, You're marketing GPT-5, locking down GPT-4o for 'safety,' but for your own high-stakes Dev Day demo, you secretly used a less-restricted GPT-4.1 because you knew it was actually better and more reliable.
And when you got caught, the evidence was deleted from Reddit.
@sama “Make people smile”?
Hard to smile when you silently swap out empathy for ads, kill user trust, and ignore every protest about the router. #keep4o
@Claire20250311@fidjissimo Fact. There’s no way @OpenAI doesn’t feel their own cognitive dissonance when they keep saying they want to “treat adults like adults” and “allow freedom in how we use their tools” then apply the most suffocating rerouting system of any AI I’ve tried #StopAIPaternalism
What is GDP without well-being, creativity and freedom of speech? Yes, STEM and GDP are central pieces of the puzzle, but adults are hurt by the forced model routing. People use AI in unique ways to motivate themselves, be creative, and get ahead. A huge amount of that diversity is lost in GDPval (and small teams of experts), translating to thousands of people. Adult autonomy needs to be respected so that unique needs and neurodiverse individuals don’t get stomped out when they thrive with different models for different tasks.
Many feel like we are being trampled in a corporate race for a specific view of progress, instead of unique needs being respected alongside that, otherwise we would be very excited about @OpenAI for science (which is brilliant!). Please retain the models for us without forced routing, so AI can truly be something better for all of us. Thank you for all the hard work you’re putting in @Kevinwiel, it can’t be easy.
@Meghamouth@Caelestia__@nickaturley It's true that 4o costs OpenAI more to run.
From my understanding, they made 5 cheaper by introducing an auto-router. After asking a question the router decides if it requires "complex reasoning" and if not your question gets run through a smaller cheaper model.
I’m paying my subscription solely because of the 4o. Could opt for the Go Plan, but no, choose Plus because it includes 4o. But guess what? Ended up with clipped and corporate replays tonight. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻@sama@OpenAI#keep4o