TheScatteredSheep

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@ClassicalTheis @WalmartThomist The fundamental problem is that God's justice is not fully intelligible to man, so you must discipline what you find repugnant to God's revelation (prescinding from the question of unbaptized infants.)

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@ClassicalTheis @EricRSammons That's a NAXALT argument. The general points stand.

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@briankeepsworth @ErickYbarra3 Ok, great. So either his motive is the totally unacceptable agreement with the heretic bishop, or his motive is to allow a heretic bishop to confirm the baptized in their heresy, thus risking their salvation for some greater good. What exactly is that greater good?

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@ErickYbarra3 @briankeepsworth You guys are having a good conversation so I'll just watch, but please look at the line I want to press. Brian is confusing the legitimacy of civil authorities tolerating heterodoxy with the divine magisterium tolerating heterodoxy.

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@briankeepsworth @ErickYbarra3 The civil authorities may tolerate heterodoxy in the civil society to avoid a greater evil. How can the divinely instituted teaching authority tolerate heterodoxy among the baptism to avoid a greater evil? Can you please make this concrete. What could the greater evil be?

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@briankeepsworth @ErickYbarra3 The Pope approving as Bishops clerics who openly deny the sinfulness of sodomy is not sufficient for you to conclude that he approves of it? Can anything, short of a direct statement by Leo himself, possibly lead you to conclude that he approves?

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@LayDominicana I'm from a working class family that entirely apostatized after the Church moved on from "bourgeois aesthetic preferences." God Bless the bourgeoisie!

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@FeelsGuy2003 The reason I don't fully agree with these takes is that when you communicate with other people you have a responsibility to understand how they are going to take your words and do your best to forestall bad interpretation.

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@WeaverRising2 @KeithWoodsYT The Pope is the conscience of our civilization. If our Kings are genociding us, it's bad if he frames a direct cause of our destruction in the morality of that King. We want him to be denouncing our genocide and putting an asterisk admonishing us not to overract. Not vice versa

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@RomanoSace57080 Respectfully, there's plenty of collateral damage re: the excommunication of the SSPX schismatics, and it must be possible to find at least one high profile, individual case to re-affirm doctrine and demonstrate a measure of justice while minimizing collateral damage.

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@EricRSammons Everyone should've run, obsessively, and in as many creative ways as possible, articles demanding/pleading/begging/arguing for Pope Leo to give a reason why the SSPX status quo shouldn't continue. Your job is to shape public opinion by focus, repetition, and conviction.

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@EricRSammons What % of orthodox commentary/statements have served to pressure the "other guys" relative to % pontificating/scolding about stuff outside one's direct authority, having the "right take", etc.? Orthodoxy lacks leadership with tactical sense.

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@kennedyhall What has shocked me is that the "non-SSPX" orthodox commentators couldn't figure out the one talking point that they should have been pressing these past months: "Dear Holy Father, please provide a reason not to approve of the SSPX consecrating Bishops and continuing their work?"

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@HilarityjaneArt I'm not defending our defunct "elite", but it's not a good idea to look at the problem solely in nominal terms. You have to look in real terms, like this:

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@EricRSammons Mostly agree. I reverted after married and with kids. So I had to be delicate. But I would never have agreed to the Vance's essentially liberal plan. Instead I began a slow, deliberate natural and supernatural campaign to baptize my children. My confessor approved. It worked

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@jmrphy There's a lot of truth in this, but part of the hunger for great books is an awareness that there is such a thing as intellectual formation/intellectual virtues, and few people know enough about such things to offer anything but "read these books."

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@DSDOConnor @Catholicizm1 That's kind of a funky angle that I've never heard before, but yeah, it follows.

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@KeithWoodsYT @42ozSteelie The freedom of creatures is not absolute and forever. Creaturely freedom always exists against a horizon of closure. You cannot make sense of human freedom except against a background of "resolution" of that freedom in some external objective state beyond your freedom. Solved.