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See our maps on the right for numbers of days with sunrise after 8am under each clock. Permanent DST’s late sunrises are not a “very short period”, they are months of misery!
Understood, but currently, all of the post school activities like basketball games, concerts, etc, are based on when school gets out, and if that is an hour later to account for morning light shifting, then everything else gets later as a result. For basketball, in order to get all the games in, they'll start at 3pm and still not finish the final games until 9 or 10pm on nights with girls and boys playing the same day. Of course that can all be scheduled differently, but its just one example.
There is no easy answer at all, hence the current system and compromise of time changes. I guess we'll see if it sticks this time if they actually pass it!
I agree, but it wont ever eliminate the arguments around it. It was tried in the past and very quickly turned around, so I guess we'll see how it goes this time! All I know is I don't want standard time year round - I enjoy light in the summer nights. But I also prefer the current system as giving us best of both worlds with (what is to me) a minor inconvenience.
lol. I completely get what locking to DST would do, I'm talking about many people's suggestions for northern states and western areas within a timezone should just simply shift all of their activities like school and work to deal with the clock not shifting anymore. That is far more work and chaos than just changing clocks twice a year. My what babies we've become that this is such a big burden to change the clocks as we've done for decades.
Well that is great, and I'm honestly happy for you to have something with that flexibility, but then your daylight hours are your daylight hours no matter what "time" it is. But things like school, offices, hospitals, etc, need standard reoccuring hours or else it will become very chaotic.
It is far less of a burden to change clocks twice a year (many of which we rely on will change themselves now like phones and cars) than trying to shift life schedules to accomplish the same thing.
I guess I've just never understood how its such a big burden with the current system. Is it annoying? yes. but not for very long and then life moves on. Some people just cannot deal with it for days and weeks and I've never understood that. Espeically the fall where you get an extra hour of sleep. Winter is depressing no matter what time the sun sets.
Would you permanently change work times such that in the summer you start work at 9am instead of 8am too? or would you "change" all of the schedules twice a year in order to allow maximizing end of day sunlight? That is what and why we do what we do now in shifting the hour. I just can't understand how changing clocks twice a year is such a major headache when it is the best compromise for everyone across the country's land mass.
It's not ideal but nothing is ideal, so that's why its a compromise. Maybe a 30 minute offset in between the two would work too. But ignoring real problems of dark winter mornings until 8 or 9am is why this happened last time and ended quickly.
Some suggesting just changing activities time rather than the clock is an ultimate cope, as it ends up with the same daylight over the same activity footprint with the complication of everything starting and ending in later "time" anyways.
Permanent DST is stupid because in the winter we get 9 AM sunrises.
Permanent Standard is stupid because in the summer we get 4:45 AM sunrises (and lose an hour of sun in the evening during the nicest time of the year).
The best solution is what we do if we'd stop being babies.
Because you do things in the morning like go to work and kids walk to school busses and sit in class. They play after school for awhile but no one really cares about being outside late like we do in summer. And I get that driving home in dark is depressing, I agree, but can't have everything so you optimize for the best use of the light.
All moot points anyways they'll do what they're gonna do and we'll adjust.
@B840D0o@markallanbovair Depends on how one likes to wake up, to some dawn light/sunrise, or dark until after the first hour of work is done. I don't like getting up in pure darkness but that's just me.
@MJPadula@markallanbovair Hence the current system. I guess we'll see how it works! I prefer light later in the summer, so I'll get by but I like the current system even with its annoyances
I did too but it wasnt for many days and it wasnt pre-dawn dark like it will be now for northern states and for some of them, weeks of time with permanent DST. Reports from when they did it in the 70s are drastic enough that it didn't last long. Maybe it will be better now.
I just like it the way it is as it addresses concerns for winter and summer time and I haven't understood how it screws people up so much twice a year more than a day or two max. But apparently for some people it really messes them up.