@lou_richa55037@CatholicSat@poperespecter1 What are the real casual problems? Ignoring rubrics is a problem. And yes, I agree that opposing the Novus Ordo to the point of disobedience and denying it's validity is bad, but there are valid concerns to be had.
@lou_richa55037@CatholicSat@poperespecter1 You didn't, but I did mention the TLM and you were saying we're not listening to the Spirit, clinging to rubrics, etc. So you can't blame me. I'm interested in how clinging to rubrics is bad. That's not what the Church teaches.
The 1962 orations use denser, more precise language of sacrifice, propitiation, judgment, and spiritual combat. Semantically this aligns tightly with the Mass’s four ends—especially adoration of God’s majesty and reparation for sin—by keeping the focus vertical and objective. The 1970 texts often soften or omit those motifs in favor of accessibility and communal tone, which can shift emphasis horizontally. On pure linguistic efficacy for directing hearts and minds to the full sacrificial purpose, the older prayers appear stronger.
@lou_richa55037@CatholicSat@poperespecter1 "Clinging to rubrics". Is that a bad thing? It's what the Church, the Council and Pope Leo has called for. How am I majoring on minors and clinging to Ephemerals? Could you tell me what point you're trying to make? That the TLM is a danger?
"try very hard in Latin because in my humble opinion familiarity with Latin is the real test of the progress of a good priest's training. If you knew what a joy it is later on to be able to read St Gregory and St Ambrose, in whose writings the most beautiful and profound mysteries of Christian life and doctrine are firmly and incisively portrayed! But for this purpose you must accustom yourself to understanding, writing and even speaking Latin."
- Saint John XXIII, Letter to his nephew 1948
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All I know is this. If Pope Leo XIV (@Pontifex) wants to keep the Vetus Ordo quietly tucked away in the Church's attic, then he better get cracking on making the Novus Ordo more reverent and traditional in practice ASAP.
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A Catholic prayer group called 'Millions of Monicas' is composed of mothers who meet each month to pray for their children and relatives who have fallen away from the Catholic faith.
Fr John Perricone asks a devastatingly simple question of the Synodal Church: Christianity produced martyrs because men and women believed there were truths worth dying for. But if certainty becomes “rigidity”, evangelisation becomes “accompaniment”, and proclamation gives way to endless listening and dialogue, what exactly remains that anyone would die for? https://t.co/J2EwTJvZoi
@CatholicSat@poperespecter1 I think your first point is very true. I think the reason the TLM is mostly a western thing is because other regions don't really have the problems in the Novus Ordo you commonly see in the west. And persecution does make their faith stronger.
@AnthonyJohnLap1@ModernBoethius It kind of is. New converts are more traditional, especially new priests. Traditional orders and groups are flourishing, and I'm talking about ones in Communion with the Pope.
@kyntai315@poperespecter1 Exactly this. There is a lot more room for abuse in the Novus Ordo, and some of it has become common, and some abuses have even become allowed.