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[steve @srjohnson529]

@LDS_RedPill @ZakHaws @Rogue0572 I mean, it’s not even a stretch. It can be demonic in its origin, substance, or intent. Or, in its efficient cause, its formal cause, or its final cause. Ethan argued for the final cause as demonic.

[steve @srjohnson529]

This was addressed throughly during the debate. Ethan said that the BOM is basically benign. He argued that the banality of it and its similarity to the Bible is what allowed for the eventual and ongoing discrediting of Christianity through Joseph's behavior and mormonisms idiotic theology. Demons helped to bring it about for that end.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@DANNELSON140485 @justin_hart @carleolson @PopePiusIXStan It’s the divine substance. Infinite, immutable, eternal, simple, perfect, self-existent, pure act, all-powerful, all-present, all-knowing.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@Brandon_NM1 @justin_hart @carleolson @PopePiusIXStan Has learning the distinction changed the way you view classical Christian theology?

[steve @srjohnson529]

@justin_hart @carleolson @PopePiusIXStan Do you understand the distinction between the terms being and person in trinitarian theology? Genuine question?

[steve @srjohnson529]

@UtahJourney @calvinrobinson Christians = those who are under the new covenant.

What is the New and everlasting covenant according to Joseph Smith? Ah yes, plural marriage.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@mimijuju4444 @calvinrobinson Right, Christ never called out a false religion.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@mdfarnie @calvinrobinson Catholicism brought Christ to the world beginning 1800 years before Joseph smith started his sham counterfeit.

[steve @srjohnson529]

The church cannot err in matters of faith and morals. If it could it would be rather useless. Christ dictates what the governing and teaching apparatus of his church is. It was built on the apostles and their successors. These men informed us what scripture is and provided us with some themselves. More importantly, they authorized men to carry on the mission of teaching, governing, and binding. This includes teaching doctrine, such as the triune nature of God, excluding heretics who deny their teaching, and binding all the faithful to believe and behave certain ways. Sometimes councils determine these things. Other times the pontiff does.

Mormons reject this as a first principle.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@bangbangboom22 @TaylorRMarshall Are you saying that as a Mormon or are an atheist?

[steve @srjohnson529]

@artMISSIONARY @TaylorRMarshall God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.

I fixed it

[steve @srjohnson529]

@MarketKapper @TaylorRMarshall It is a contradiction in terms. God is uncreated,. God cannot create something uncreated.

[steve @srjohnson529]

Technically, person is not Christian if they are not members of Christ body. Christ’s body includes the office of apostles and their successors. This office was given the authority to teach and to bind and loose. Christ told them that whoever hears you hears me, whoever rejects you rejects me. He also said that this body would endure until the end of the world. Mormons reject all of this explicitly. They’ve created a new origin story and theology totally detached from the historical promise of Christ.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@mckayburgess @TaylorRMarshall Yes, That’s right

[steve @srjohnson529]

@johnymac1288 @TaylorRMarshall Op didn’t mention cult like behavior. He pointed out points of LDS during that are incompatible with Christian doctrine.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@Law_Of_Chastity @Seeking72 I can write my own responses, actually. And what I said is true.

[steve @srjohnson529]

The contribution made to population growth by polygamy was minimal as only a minority of men in Utah practiced polygamy. It was the prominent leaders. The majority of couples were monogamous. Conversions and large families generally were the overwhelming contributors.

Crediting polygamy for saving the saints out total cope

[steve @srjohnson529]

This is a bad analogy. You are conflating moral law with circumstantial and accidental historical events. Any number of details related to Noah could have been different—including it not being Noah at all, but some other man who fulfilled God’s command. That is not the same thing as altering or reversing a moral law.

If murder is not universally immoral, then morality becomes arbitrary. The same is true of polygamy or any other moral act. For an act to be morally good, its object, intention, and circumstances must all be good. If the object of the act—the act itself (e.g., murder or polygamy)—is immoral, then the entire act is immoral.

What you seem to be saying is that a bad act, such as polygamy, can be made good if certain conditions are met.

I am saying that it cannot. An intrinsically evil act remains evil even if the intention is good and the circumstances appear beneficial. A good intention cannot transform an evil object into a good act.

Since God cannot act contrary to His own nature, He cannot command what is intrinsically evil. Therefore, if murder or polygamy are intrinsically immoral, then God could not have commanded them.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@melonakos @frgtr46052602 @Seeking72 Right, and his commandments should be commensurate with his nature. That is to say, non contradictory.

[steve @srjohnson529]

@melonakos @frgtr46052602 @Seeking72 Which part is not true? And I gave the grounds for the similarity. The acts themselves are evil. Polygamy and murder are both acts. In your view, these evil acts were actually commanded by God