@ThoughtfulSaint Ultimate truth and objective facts are different concepts.
Whether or not something is rational depends on which of those concepts you are reasoning about, and in my experience people commonly bounce back and forth unknowingly between the two, causing unresolvable arguments.
@IMAO_ Religious belief encompasses subjects that are outside the realm of objective proof or evidence: the meaning of life, ultimate reality, morality, etc.
It's always going to end up being a personal choice what we believe or don't believe, at least as long as we're still mortals.
@dilanesper His arguments make complete sense within a secular worldview.
The problem is that many, including yourself, have abandoned the secular worldview for a de facto religious one without even realizing it, which makes mutual understanding difficult.
@JupusPotato@wesyang Sure, but a society that enacts laws and policies based on the objective reality of biological sex is very different than one that does so based on the subjective (de facto religious) belief of gender identity.
Thatโs what the argument is actually about.
@dilanesper When someone injects religious beliefs into what is supposed to be a neutral secular discussion, those who donโt share those religious beliefs are going to feel wronged, rightfully so.
This applies to de facto religious beliefs like LGBTism just as much as Christianity or Islam.
@dilanesper A society can choose whatever word definitions it wants, but it cannot avoid the consequence of what that choice says about them.
A society that uses de facto religious definitions for words is a de facto religious society, not a secular one.
Is that what you want?
@dilanesper@wesyang@blarg66 There are right and wrong ways for a *secular* society to use words. If a secular society changes a word to have a de facto religious definition, then that society is no longer secular.
You are arguing against secularism.
No one successfully changes sex. No one is actually trans. Gender is make believe.
A detransitioner is just someone who accepts this after being scammed.
A man having an F marker for sex on official documents does not make him a woman, it makes the documents incorrect.
Even if he paid the government to do it.
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