Christian, #churchofChrist , apologist, historical preterist, physicist, you would label me a Pelagian, some would label me a hedonist 🤷♂
Ernie Laurence, Jr.
John 3:16 only speaks of faith saving.
2 Cor 7:10 only speaks of repentance saving.
Romans 8:24 only speaks of hope saving.
Mark 13:13 only speaks of enduring to the end saving.
1 Peter 3:21 only speaks of baptism saving.
Ephesians 2:5 only speaks of grace saving.
Mark 8:35 only speaks of losing one's life for Christ's sake saves.
Acts 2:21 only speaks of calling on the Lord saves
Acts 2:40 only says you save yourself
Acts 11:14 only says certain words save
Romans 5:9 only says His blood saves
Romans 5:10 only says His life saves
1 Corinthians 1:21 only says preaching saves
1 Corinthians 7:16 only says a spouse can save
It is willful ignorance in the extreme to think that any one of these passages, or passages like them, teaches that only that thing saves.
It is an odd thing for sola fide people to say I am not saved because I believe water immersion is necessary for salvation. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and my Savior. But because I don't believe it specifically "their way", my belief is invalid.
Then these same people will claim they were baptized (as an outward sign they were already saved) and complain to me because I do not believe their baptism is valid for salvation because they were not baptized specifically "my way".
Sometimes we use pronouns not to speak to ownership but belonging to or subscribing to. "My family" doesn't mean I own that family but that I belong to it. "My church" doesn't mean I own it but that I belong to it. "My way" doesn't mean, in the context of my post, a way I necessarily invented but a way I sunscribe to. Hence the quote marks.
I do agree that there is man's way and God's Way and we should conform to God's.
If PSA is true, God is totally being a hypocrite!
“Rules for thee but not for me”
God’s show of character is our example, not to be avoided. What God tells us is good character for us is good character shown BY God.
~~~~Besides all that, it’s also ignoring any scripture that says it’s belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the World (through HIS work, HIS righteousness, HIS obedience) that saves, not ANYTHING that man does (which would be ‘works’ of the flesh). ~~~~
It's not ignoring the passages that say that belief in Jesus Christ saves. Repentance towards God is only possible if you believe in the one to whom you are turning to for salvation. But there is no passage that saves "belief in Jesus alone saves, not anything that man does". The closest you get is Eph 2:8 which is speaking contextually of works of the law of Moses for self-justification, not works of obedience to Christ.
I think we are agreement on the part about changing the mind toward God.
I don't believe repentance is a "payment plan". It's a change of mind away from one master towards another (Rom 6:16). Repentance is about what you turn from as much as what you turn to. In 2 Cor 7:10 we see that it is godly sorrow that works repentance. So we have that godly sorrow for the evil we have done and it causes us to turn from that and towards God. That same verse says that repentance is "unto" salvation. That means that it is a prerequisite of, something required before, salvation.
@Scripture52@RetroChristians We believe we are baptized BY one Spirit IN water as the one baptism. The Holy Spirit is the agent. The water is the element. (Eph 4:5; 5:26; 1 Pet 3:20-21; Col 2:11-13; 1 John 5:6,8, John 3:3,5)
@ChristandGuitar@RetroChristians I find it interesting that you are advocating a "works based" salvation here by referring to faith and repentence as actions.