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@scottishslander @AnInnes3 Wasn’t arguing about autosomal ancestry. You claimed 80% of Scottish men are L21, which is wrong, with no proof. L21 isn’t the only haplogroup associated with insular celts anyway.

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@scottishslander @AnInnes3 No, it’s largest haplogroup sample size for Scotland as a whole. They even separate Shetland. See R1b-U106 here:

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@scottishslander @AnInnes3 Germanic haplogroups taken all together I1 (10%), R1b-U106 (12%), R1a (5%), some I2 (5%) etc. add up to around 25-30%.

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@scottishslander @AnInnes3 What is the source for this? Ftdna with a sample size of 14000 has R-L21 at around 40% in Scotland.

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@scottishslander @AnInnes3 8 out of 10 men in Scotland don’t share the same haplogroup. Where are you getting this from?

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@MrOptimus88 @LucillaDuchess If you study Latin or Greek seriously you basically need to learn German lol

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@AnInnes3 For me, the plain, broad horizons and the sea.

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@AnInnes3 This is very true, even just in regards to the ‘atmosphere’ of each place. Coastal E. Scotland feels very different from the highlands.
I’ve always felt somewhat claustrophobic whenever I’ve spent time in a glen where the sun barely rises over the surrounding hills..

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@fiddlersgreen03 @Room3328 @AnInnes3 Even when the reasons and modes of Celtic & Germanic dissemination in lowland Scotland were very likely quite similar and had a similar genetic impact.

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@fiddlersgreen03 @Room3328 @AnInnes3 You said the lowlands as Germanic was a ‘gimmick’. It just seems rather arbitrary that Insular BB can somehow organically become ‘Celtic’, while Gael & Briton can never become ‘Germanic’; that the language & customs are uniquely foreign & imposed as Thomas is claiming. .

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@fiddlersgreen03 @Room3328 @AnInnes3 Especially when ‘force’ is partially what makes a culture elite & prestigious to begin with and appealing to adopt.
Celtic from the west is near impossible.

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@fiddlersgreen03 @Room3328 @AnInnes3 We have plenty of genetic evidence for movement from the continent from the late bronze age onwards. How an existing bell beaker population would adopt a foreign language & culture without some element of force is difficult to imagine, but I never said it was the only factor.

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@Room3328 @AnInnes3 @fiddlersgreen03 Celtic was adopted top down from an Elite that came to Scotland from ‘England’ & the Continent; likely disseminated over time from strongholds established by this elite .. but I guess that happened in the mists of prehistory so you wouldn’t call it ‘inorganic’ or ‘ethnocide’ …

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@TheGloriousLion I think ‘Proto-Germanic’ specifically most likely spread from Jastorf culture not Sweden.

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@napedriggers88 @keltyse Unsure. Definitely more associated with R1b-U106 from early days, rather than it is with other R1a I think. Rare enough that it’s unlikely to be caught in low sample sizes.

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@napedriggers88 @keltyse @Vamscape @kriqlation I don’t think any CTS4385 or downstream has been found in battle axe, whereas a few are found in Central euro CW and nowhere else. PNL002 buried in the same place and (roughly) time as earliest R1b-U106. There aren’t enough SGC samples to build anywhere near a full picture.

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@IonYamnaya @OurOwnNation ‘African’ meant Berber long before it was ever applied to sub-saharans

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@DanDavisWrites Spear. You can throw. Then again maybe the club as coup de grace…

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@Meredicchio "Per lei assai di lieve si comprende
quanto in femmina foco d'amor dura,
se l'occhio o 'l tatto spesso non l'accende."

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@Tom_Rowsell There’s probably someone out there with an unlikely amount of geriatric fathers in their line who is twice as ‘close’ to the Bronze Age than anyone else.