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@elonmusk @Grummz It does not! If you played the modern version of WoW you’d understand how the art has been subverted by ideologues. The most realistic compromise to maintain the original art style is to leave it, unfortunately.

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@JohnTwistxe @blackeith_ @DreamReality @Mvqdh https://t.co/IMvJaeQohU

[Cornfed Nebraska Boy @Marmstrongwow]

I'm seeing a lot of discourse about who WoW Forever is being made for and while I cannot speak for anyone else on the team I can speak for myself. I am making WoW forever for the classic gamer and for the millions of people who have had their accounts lapse over the years because they were not satisfied with changes that were made to the game. Whether those changes were to the art style, the story, social aspects, game design, or changes to their favorite class.

I did not spend the last year of my life relearning and mastering how to do things like we did it 20+ years ago for retail players. I could have taken it easy and just kept doing things like I had done for the past 8 years on retail...because I was much more familiar with it and it actually takes a lot less time to do (height maps on textures do a ton of heavy lifting). Because the reality is that the majority of retail players wouldn't care and would probably actually prefer it. But I felt I had a duty to uphold an artistic vision and integrity that millions of people expect from us. But not just for our players, but for my co-workers past and present who worked on it over 20 years ago. If I could not create something that resembled their work then I failed not only them...but myself.

Please do not take this as me throwing any shade at retail players or the retail team because I am one myself...but I wanted to make Forever as authentic of a Vanilla experience as possible. This involves making decisions wildly different than retail. It means holding the line against changes that create a domino affect down the road. It means keeping friction and inconveniences in the game. It means finding friends and forming groups with strangers and being social!! Because WoWs social aspects have always been the pillar of the game and over the years it has slowly been chiseled away at with changes that allow you play alone.

Since the day I started working on the Riverglades I have lived by three sayings.

"Convenience is the death of the journey."

"If you're making a game for everyone then you're making it for no one."

"Every change we make incurs a debt to the authenticity of the game and sooner or later that debt will be paid."

These are my core beliefs and I had a specific group of people I was targeting with my work. These beliefs cannot be shaken and I will try to hold the line against anything that goes against them and will continue to pester the team about things that feel out of place.

That being said, my hope is that Forever will pull in as many people as possible, whether you are a retail gamer, a classic gamer, someone who hasn't played in years, or even a new player. I hope you can all remember what made this game so special in the first place and that starts with understanding why we are so passionate about keeping it authentic.

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@CameronIrock @DreamReality @Mvqdh You are arguing in bad faith. "Not classic enough" is a valid criticism. The Core & lead developers have stated this is being created in the spirit of vanilla world of Warcraft. This should be obvious since the base game is vanilla, you fool!

https://t.co/3PQNh6T7Jb

[Cornfed Nebraska Boy @Marmstrongwow]

I'm seeing a lot of discourse about who WoW Forever is being made for and while I cannot speak for anyone else on the team I can speak for myself. I am making WoW forever for the classic gamer and for the millions of people who have had their accounts lapse over the years because they were not satisfied with changes that were made to the game. Whether those changes were to the art style, the story, social aspects, game design, or changes to their favorite class.

I did not spend the last year of my life relearning and mastering how to do things like we did it 20+ years ago for retail players. I could have taken it easy and just kept doing things like I had done for the past 8 years on retail...because I was much more familiar with it and it actually takes a lot less time to do (height maps on textures do a ton of heavy lifting). Because the reality is that the majority of retail players wouldn't care and would probably actually prefer it. But I felt I had a duty to uphold an artistic vision and integrity that millions of people expect from us. But not just for our players, but for my co-workers past and present who worked on it over 20 years ago. If I could not create something that resembled their work then I failed not only them...but myself.

Please do not take this as me throwing any shade at retail players or the retail team because I am one myself...but I wanted to make Forever as authentic of a Vanilla experience as possible. This involves making decisions wildly different than retail. It means holding the line against changes that create a domino affect down the road. It means keeping friction and inconveniences in the game. It means finding friends and forming groups with strangers and being social!! Because WoWs social aspects have always been the pillar of the game and over the years it has slowly been chiseled away at with changes that allow you play alone.

Since the day I started working on the Riverglades I have lived by three sayings.

"Convenience is the death of the journey."

"If you're making a game for everyone then you're making it for no one."

"Every change we make incurs a debt to the authenticity of the game and sooner or later that debt will be paid."

These are my core beliefs and I had a specific group of people I was targeting with my work. These beliefs cannot be shaken and I will try to hold the line against anything that goes against them and will continue to pester the team about things that feel out of place.

That being said, my hope is that Forever will pull in as many people as possible, whether you are a retail gamer, a classic gamer, someone who hasn't played in years, or even a new player. I hope you can all remember what made this game so special in the first place and that starts with understanding why we are so passionate about keeping it authentic.

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@ProbablyHim81 @arcanistsaphras Just circling back on this after the recent clarifications from WoW Forever developers. Do you still believe this?

https://t.co/IMvJaePQsm

[Cornfed Nebraska Boy @Marmstrongwow]

I'm seeing a lot of discourse about who WoW Forever is being made for and while I cannot speak for anyone else on the team I can speak for myself. I am making WoW forever for the classic gamer and for the millions of people who have had their accounts lapse over the years because they were not satisfied with changes that were made to the game. Whether those changes were to the art style, the story, social aspects, game design, or changes to their favorite class.

I did not spend the last year of my life relearning and mastering how to do things like we did it 20+ years ago for retail players. I could have taken it easy and just kept doing things like I had done for the past 8 years on retail...because I was much more familiar with it and it actually takes a lot less time to do (height maps on textures do a ton of heavy lifting). Because the reality is that the majority of retail players wouldn't care and would probably actually prefer it. But I felt I had a duty to uphold an artistic vision and integrity that millions of people expect from us. But not just for our players, but for my co-workers past and present who worked on it over 20 years ago. If I could not create something that resembled their work then I failed not only them...but myself.

Please do not take this as me throwing any shade at retail players or the retail team because I am one myself...but I wanted to make Forever as authentic of a Vanilla experience as possible. This involves making decisions wildly different than retail. It means holding the line against changes that create a domino affect down the road. It means keeping friction and inconveniences in the game. It means finding friends and forming groups with strangers and being social!! Because WoWs social aspects have always been the pillar of the game and over the years it has slowly been chiseled away at with changes that allow you play alone.

Since the day I started working on the Riverglades I have lived by three sayings.

"Convenience is the death of the journey."

"If you're making a game for everyone then you're making it for no one."

"Every change we make incurs a debt to the authenticity of the game and sooner or later that debt will be paid."

These are my core beliefs and I had a specific group of people I was targeting with my work. These beliefs cannot be shaken and I will try to hold the line against anything that goes against them and will continue to pester the team about things that feel out of place.

That being said, my hope is that Forever will pull in as many people as possible, whether you are a retail gamer, a classic gamer, someone who hasn't played in years, or even a new player. I hope you can all remember what made this game so special in the first place and that starts with understanding why we are so passionate about keeping it authentic.

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@blackeith_ @DreamReality @Mvqdh The continuation of Vanilla World of Warcraft content while maintaining the spirit of the original game.

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@DreamReality @Mvqdh Indeed and I'm not even agreeing with OP. But most who say, "you can play Classic," are engaging in bad faith considering this is supposed to be the continuation of Vanilla WoW.

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@DreamReality @Mvqdh This is extremely disingenuous. The developers themselves have made it clear this is Classic Plus more times than I can count.

You can't subvert this game, no matter how much you try.

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@Lyraseth Hellllll no

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@jonzzy No, that’s too whimsical for Classic WoW

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@_psychosid @Godwin_UX @MrGMYT But you get my point right? It’s a style based on limitations. Minecraft is another example. It’s not worse or better, just different. Unless they literally remake the entire game, just throwing in random HD assets won’t ever look good.

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@_psychosid @Godwin_UX @MrGMYT Do you think Valheim would look better with “HD” graphics?

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@Godwin_UX @MrGMYT It’s simple. Modern wow has a different art style, more soft, bouncy and Pixar faces. Ideally we would could update old assets while maintaining the old, gritty fantasy style. However, Blizzard hasn’t shown they are capable of this, thus we’re asking for old models.

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@icyveins Please no “hero” classes. God does everyone not realize how thin the line is before things become retail?

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@offallmarkets @CoFoundersNik @beachbizguy Indeed. Any income generating asset is affected by interest rates.

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@TheoryWiseOS Genuinely it's subversion. Most people that don't care, don't type "WHO CARES" over and over. It's a subversive tactic to discredit your opinion because they disagree.

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@emirahera @MurrayHillGuy1 You’re right in that’s what the data shows women say they want in aggregate, but despite this there seems to be a minority of manipulative/performative men that seem to do very well in dating

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@emirahera @MurrayHillGuy1 One issue is many women have the wrong type of high standards. High standards are great if they call out the best in people and disincentivize psychopathic behavior. Instead, dark triad traits are attractive to a lot of gals.

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@damoosmann @FwoiblesWoW Obviously yeah, but I’m playing devils advocate since there’s a serious insinuation

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@Wowhead This can’t be real…