@ClarkeMicah I never said anything about those particular cases (in fact, I would paraphrase something you yourself have said: You are ascribing to me words I did not say and things I do not believe). What I did say, very clearly I should add, is that in some cases people enter into marriages
@ClarkeMicah For example, one who is already sacramentally married may by deception go through the ritual of another marriage. Obviously it is impossible for the susequent ceremony to be valid, and in fact it was *never* valid, even if it appeared so. Annulement is the only possible solution
@ClarkeMicah This doesn't address my point at all. Note that I said *some circumstances* not *all circumstances*. I would never say that every single annulment the church has issued in its entire history has been legitimate, but that does not at all render the concept unsound.
@ClarkeMicah@KevvyBeeee Of course, it is obvious that people may in some circumstances attempt to pretend God hath joined together what he could not, which is the exact case an annulment is for.
@DanielKitts@MikePMoffatt@camus_absurd Someone willing to do a massive amount of heavy lifting for the future of society (by having 5+ kids) should get more votes
@Pablonorm@MikePMoffatt because their own ideals also represent their children's interests. in other words, parents with children are highly invested in the question "what political outcome is best for my children" as well as their own
@Pablonorm@MikePMoffatt You are missing the point - it is the parents who are making an individual judgment call about how to represent the interests of their minor children. It actually doesn't matter whether parents do what Mike would do, or if they choose to align with their own ideals
@Pablonorm@MikePMoffatt not the same thing, but desirable, because children do not have the mental capacity to make semi-intelligent decisions about their own interests vis a vis those of society. nonetheless their interests broadly deserve a voice and their parents are the perfect ppl to express so
@Pablonorm@MikePMoffatt We exect parents to act in and represent their children's interests already until they come of age, allowing parents to express those political interests through proxy voting is consistent with that
@ratlpolicy I for one do not accept the premise that "Iran getting nuclear weapons behind an unassailable missile screen" is a problem the US needs to solve, or even has the right to solve.