@wendyzuk Does "stay wide" and "available on all platforms" mean that Science Vs. is *not* going to be a Spotify exclusive? Spotify can have Joe Rogan or me as a customer; but not both.
@kengiter@kaytwo@__apf__ If we had known that this was some aritificial stupidity (AS) machine learning bogosity, we might have been more kind. Still annoyed that our time was being wasted, but at least we would have known we were being asked to provide free QA for a research project. 3/
@kengiter@kaytwo@__apf__ And if it was really a "static code analyzer" as opposed to yet another "research project" trying to see if crappy patches could be snuck by the Kernel review processes, it's a spectactularly poor one. Which is why frank disclosure is critically important. 2/
@lorenterveen@KenoFischer@PjdPeter@gregkh @johnregehr Whether or not it's "human experimentation" via some kind of technicality, it's the lack of institutional controls at UMN for this kind of activity --- which is hopefully obviously ethically dubious --- which in my mind is what justifies the university-wide ban.
@lorenterveen@KenoFischer@PjdPeter@gregkh @johnregehr Note that Prof. Lu claimed that this was not human experimentation, and didn't get IRB approval up front. After the fact, he got an IRB excemption claiming it wasn't "human experimentation".
@kengiter #4. I had actually had the idea of having students in a CS security class try to submit trojan horse patches years ago. Ethical concerns and the fact that it wouldn't tell us anything new caused me to discard the idea.
@paulvixie @carrickdb @grittygrease If a network operator blocks IPSEC, SSH, and HTTPS, it's not likely going to be very commercially successful --- and at least that way it's obvious that the network operator is to be avoided.
@paulvixie @carrickdb @grittygrease Unfortunately, these days more often than not I consider network operators to be a malicious man-in-the-middle actor instead of a service provider. These days I'm more often going to use IPSEC to insulate myself from the network operator, but diversity of defenses is good. :-)