Warning: This Carl Sagan explaination has caused existential crises.
He explains how 5th dimensional beings perceive 3D creatures, and the implications are so disturbing, I paused it three times.
He said:
A being from the 5th dimension could reach into your locked house, take an object off your kitchen table, and place it in orbit around Jupiter without ever crossing a wall, a door, or the vacuum of space.
People ridiculed when Carl Sagan said this.
But, he was walking through the cleanest piece of geometric logic in modern physics, and most people who watched it never realized what he actually gave them.
The demonstration starts small.
Imagine a flat creature living on a sheet of paper. Its entire universe is length and width. It has no concept of "up" because up doesn't exist in its world. The direction is literally unthinkable to its nervous system.
Now take a three-dimensional apple and push it slowly through the paper.
What does the flat creature see?
A dot appears from nowhere. The dot expands into a circle. The circle grows, shrinks, then collapses back into nothing. The apple was always whole. The flatlander only ever perceived cross-sections of something its dimensions could not contain.
That's the entire trick.
Sagan's move was to rotate the analogy upward and let you feel the vertigo yourself.
You are the flatlander. Your body, your brain, your sensory apparatus evolved to process three spatial dimensions and one directional slice of time.
Anything existing in a higher dimension would pass through your world the same way that apple passed through the paper. As fragments, apparitions, sudden appearances, inexplicable disappearances.
A 4D being could see every organ in your body simultaneously from the outside, the way you can see every room of a dollhouse at once from above.
A 5D being could observe your entire lifetime from every version of you from infant to corpse like a single unmoving sculpture stretched across time.
What's interesting is it's a direct consequence of how dimensions mathematically nest inside one another.
Every dimension has full access to the interior of the one below it. A 3D hand can touch any point inside a 2D square without crossing its edges. A 4D hand could touch any point inside your sealed body without breaking your skin.
Sagan has really handed us a quiet reframe of every "impossible" phenomenon humans have reported for thousands of years like visions, presences, objects moving through walls, beings that seem to know your past and future.
Though his Geometry doesn't confirm any of it. But it removes the argument that such things would violate physics.
@PathfinderAstro Just started Original Christianity. Only a chapter in but you've answered a lot of questions I've had since learning about dualism and gnostic teachings
The spirit reincarnates after death. Loses its memory and starts over, because it possesses free will but not the memory.
The soul becomes trapped in a stasis, falling backwards into its own memories and emotions, and automatically creating heavenly or hellish dreams out of that inner content. Because it possesses memory but not free will.
As for the notion of identity? Well, when you are alive, your sense of self, your identity, is created from the union of your soul and spirit. Or, in modern parlance, your conscious and unconscious. Once they divide apart in the Second Death, your “you”, at least as you had experienced it, no longer exists.
Thus
* the notion that we reincarnate after death has something to it
* the notion that we go to heaven or hell after death also has something to it
* and the notion that we do not actually survive death has something to it as well.
@DjehutySpeaks Ive been wrestling with the soulless npc idea. Sometimes I truly believe it other times I feel like they have lost their connection to their spirit which fuels their soul. Making them soulless npcs. Other times I feel like npcs are the ones that are truly in "purgatory"
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