Winston Haaswijk

Sr. Principal SWE at Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Formerly PhD student at EPFL. Author of the percy exact synthesis library

[Winston Haaswijk @whaaswijk]

@ChristianityOn @graysonguinn_ @waldenpod You think there is better evidence for the resurrection than for the miracles attributed to Padre Pio?

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@TheLastNeocon @TheNewCatholic @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 We have witness statements from people who consciously looked away from the sun to avoid artifacts and still reported the color changes. We also have witness reports for the drying and pictures confirming it.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 No it doesn’t because your argument was that the claims lessen over time.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 I guess you’re not familiar with the case because your explanation of his wounds doesn’t even come close. Moreover, there are many other extraordinary claims made about him, including ones that are plausibly on the order of flying.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 I didn’t argue that not knowing means miracle. Your argument was that the claims lessened over time. That’s clearly not true with Padre Pio. It’s not just “something weird happened with his hands”. Btw, I notice you still haven’t found those many negative witnesses for Fatima.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 Which reports? Where are the many negative witnesses to put up against the positive ones? Your point that miracle claims lessen over time is disproven by e.g. Zeitoun and Padre Pio which occur after Fatima. Also this event is only one of the reported Fatima phenomena.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 What’s your evidence that a lot saw nothing? In the other hand, we do have evidence for people, including skeptics, reporting similar phenomena. “Nothing miraculous” is question-begging.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 Your use of “many” is misleading. The weight of the evidence suggests that the majority of people witnessed an unusual event. We have very few, if any, negative witnesses.

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@ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 We have reports of distant witnesses as early as 1917. You may be right that we have no formal interviews with those witnesses until much later. I guess you can posit that they’re all confabulating or lying.

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@TheLastNeocon @ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 They did report the same or similar phenomena

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@ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 This doesn’t account for the people who saw it from afar. They weren’t affected by the crowd and still reported the same phenomenon. There is more that could be said but it seems like you’re arguing in the abstract without having looked at the evidence.

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@ceruleanlurker @LadiesOfReddit @halogen1048576 Even granted that this is true, your explanation is that the majority of the 40-100k people at Fatima were on lsd? What about the witnesses that saw the phenomenon from distant cities?

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@adorientem That seems a bit too simplistic. Suppose a SSA person has the same feelings for someone that you have for your wife. Is it surprising that they would be saddened by people telling them their feelings are immoral? Doesn’t seem to imply feelings of guilt.

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@alejalej8909 @wifiejwn38 @ClassicalTheis Yeah I think that’s fair

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@wifiejwn38 @ClassicalTheis IIRC he doesn’t say they don’t work. Rather, he thinks they are less dialectically useful because they require a lot of metaphysical preamble which is difficult and a lot of work.

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@DissentMaster @emuse1955 @Philip_Goff Maybe you’re referring to post-modernity. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was thriving in modernity.

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@DissentMaster @emuse1955 @Philip_Goff So did modernity

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@jwiechers @WalterOk15 @fortnow I think I’ve made my point just fine. Not sure what information you think you’ve added to the conversation.

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@WalterOk15 @fortnow All that shows is that computers aren’t strictly equivalent to Turing machines either.