@JMRJAM@MartinusLogicus Therefore posteriori, empirical reasoning is required in order to conclude that Christianity is real, and so debunking Christianity is merely a matter of analyzing its historical probability, which is poor.
@JMRJAM@MartinusLogicus It seems you agree. You cannot propose a list of obviously true premises that leads to what I ate for breakfast through formal logic without observation
Likewise, it’s silly to try to do the same with any specific historical fact, and Christianity rests on many of these.
@Shaib2bMVP@Mormonger If 2+2 can equal 4 .0000001% of the time, what happens to math?
If you propose an absolute rule and there are any exceptions the rule is wrong and the worldview needs to be scrapped.
@Shaib2bMVP@Mormonger “For people like me”
Surely this isn’t something only non believing skeptics find difficult to swallow. Your gender ideology is incoherent and it has a major impact on how people live.
@Shaib2bMVP@PatrickMLora@Mormonger So nobody knew what a man was until we discovered chromosomal testing?
And what’s the doctor supposed to base it on? Is he supposed to pray really hard so that he can pick the one that matches the spirit?
@PatrickMLora@Mormonger How would you know? Surely only God can know for sure. Worse, there are people with parts from both male AND female bodies, so if you don't fall back on chromosomes, you have no ability to identify the gender of that person.
@TFailbender@Mormonger Your definition of what a woman is seems to be “what does the doctor say”.
Well, what factors is the doctor determining maleness or femaleness off of? The doctor isn’t the bottom of the question. Otherwise it is quite subjective.
@TFailbender@Mormonger Sorry, so your position is that a doctor, for people with DSD, is going to make a subjective assessment of someone's gender based on a plurality of contradictory factors, and that assessment will necessarily align with the spirit God has put in them?
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@JMRJAM@MartinusLogicus What I'm observing is a less of a flaw in the logical argument for God, but rather a flaw in the empirical observations that lead some people to believe in one kind of God/s over another.
You ortho/cath philbros like talking about logical properties but hate history.
@TFailbender@Mormonger Frankly it's just anecdotal based on my discussions with Mormon friends and family.
That's what I'm asking you. I gave you an example body (person with Swyers). They have both male and female characteristics. Are they supposed to marry a man or a woman in this life?
@Shaib2bMVP@Mormonger Common-ness is a relative term. Low estimates of intersex people can be around 00.018%, or about 18 in 100,000, which translates to about 65 intersex babies born worldwide per day. Throughout history there have been millions of intersex people.
@TFailbender@Mormonger Based on chromosomal alignment. XY chromosomes = male spirit? I thought this was the majority mormon view.
Do you believe we can't actually speculate on the identity of a spirit placed inside a body with a DSD?
@TFailbender@Mormonger I'm not arguing that biological sex can't be assigned based on a plurality of factors. I'm arguing that if God is out here putting men in bodies that are phenotypically female while they have XY chromosomes (which is true), I do not think we can rule out the possibility...