Cactus

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@commiegadser @pujbro only this one is his wife

[Storyteller Lemmy @LemmySmackett]

"Okay, so imagine a magic button."

"I'm imagining the button."

"If you press the button—"

"What color is it?"

"It's the only button. It doesn't matter what color it is."

"Nah, I ain't falling for that again. Last time there was a red button and a blue button—"

"That's a different thought experiment."

"—and I tried to be a nice guy and pick blue so I could save everybody, but it turns out ya'll a bunch of selfish motherfuckers and I died."

"It wasn't buttons. It was pills."

"Don't care. I'm out for me this time. What color is the button?"

"Ugh, fine. It's red."

"I press the button."

"You don't even know what it does yet!"

"And I pull the trolley lever."

"There's no lever!"

"Bias for Action."

"Just listen: there's a button that lets you save 10^100 shrimp, but it kills one random person. Would you press it?"

"What flavor are the shrimp?

"Flavor?"

"Yeah, you know: garlic, Old Bay, Korean BBQ."

"You're saving the shrimp, not eating them!"

"Saving them for what?"

"For nothing. They get to live their lives."

"What? Just doin' shrimp stuff?"

"Yeah."

"How long do shrimp live?"

"Uh, it depends on the species? 1-2 years?"

"And then what happens?"

"They die."

"That seems like a waste."

"How is that a waste? They got to live full lives."

"Weren't you just telling me last week that bees live in perpetual agony and we should commit insect omnicide to free from the suffering of the flesh?"

"Yeah, but that was last week. This week I read a new Snubstack post with a math equation in it and believe something totally different."

"Uh huh."

"It's called updating your priors."

"Okay, well here's my updated prior: I press the button, let the shrimp live for a year, and then I eat them."

"What?"

"All of them."

"You can't eat 10^100 shrimp."

"I freeze the leftovers."

"You would need a freezer bigger than the universe!"

"Really?"

"Yes! 10^100 is more than all the atoms in the observable universe!"

"Okay, then I have a freezer bigger than the universe."

"You can't just—"

"No, wait. Three freezers. One for each flavor."

"You can't just make up three freezers!"

"Why not?"

"It's a hypothetical!"

"Yeah I hypothetically have three big ass freezers."

"The point—"

"If you get to throw out a big ass number of shrimp, I get to have some big ass freezers. Maytag freezers."

"The point of the hypothetical—"

"I've always been a Maytag Man."

"The point of the hypothetical is to interrogate our moral intuitions!"

"Yeah well the only thing I want to interrogate right now is a Red Lobster menu."

"I don't think you're engaging with this in good faith."

"Wait, I got a new hypothetical. A counterfactual even."

"Oh really."

"You know what I would've done differently if I knew you were gonna hit me with this mouthwatering supper-time supposition?"

"What?"

"I would've had breakfast this morning."

"Fuck you."

[Slazac 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇹🇼🌐 @TrueSlazac]

Stable coalition built around common sense

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@viciousdoormat facts

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@RotIdeologist Lmaooo how is that real

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@RotIdeologist bread

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro The mind illuminated by culadasa

[QualiaNerd @QualiaNerd]

There is nothing more to consciousness than the physical.

BUT, EXTREMELY CRUCIALLY, when I say that there is nothing more to consciousness than the physical, what I mean by that is something VERY DIFFERENT from what is meant by most people who say the same thing.

Most people who say that there is nothing more to consciousness than the physical don’t actually mean it. In fact, they mean the exact opposite. If you ask them "OK, so if consciousness is physical, then when I’m experiencing, say, a visual image of a yellow flower, there is some physical state in my brain that is shaped and colored exactly like that visual image of a yellow flower?" they will say no.

They believe that consciousness is somehow encoded in/emerging from/supervenient on physical brain states, but is not itself numerically identical to any physical brain state. [As an interesting side note, they are usually quite queasy about outright acknowledging that they believe this, and that’s because if they DID acknowledge it, they would have to confront the fact that they are dualists - which they absolutely are - head on. So there is a kind of a "doublethink" going on, where one simultaneously claims that there is no physical object in the physical brain that looks exactly like, say, the visual field (with all the shapes and colors and visual textures etc…), while vehemently denying that the only logically possible implication of this claim is that the visual field is disjoint from the physical brain. Beware that the amount of torturous obfuscation, smoke and mirrors and handwaving produced in vain attempts to "explain away" this glaring contradiction can grow to proportions truly gargantuan].

Whereas when I say that consciousness is physical, I actually mean exactly that. Yes, 🌼 is a physical brain state. Not emergent from, or encoded in, or supervening on, physical brain states - but literally a physical brain state. There are literal intracranial physical objects that have the shape and color of a visual image of a yellow flower. Here’s one: 🌼.

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@QualiaNerd Dual-aspect monism all the way

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@WystanTBS potentially

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro :(

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro ew

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro Een monster zou jouw oprecht een hartritmestoornis geven denk ik

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro :/

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro I mean obvs theres never 0 risk of side effects but from what i know it really is a huge gamechanger for people who otherwise would never lose weight
Its probably a gigantic net positive esp including reduced healthcare costs bc of less obesity

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro All true

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro This is already you and your male friends, relationship or not
Not complaining tho

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro Ok

[Cactus @C0nsciousCactus]

@pujbro We need a dictatorship of the babytariat to undo this grave injustice