Viewing Vatican II through the lens of rupture gave birth to both Sedevacantism and German gay pride masses.
Vatican II HAS to be viewed through the lens of continuity.
Once you do that, suddenly it all makes sense.
@BuddeyHollow That place fosters wonder and devotion and thoughts of the things above. That place is where people get married, where they confess their sins, where they worship God. Itโs not an IHOP.
@joshwhitlatch The word โpopeโ is not in the bible? Pope means Father. Father is in the bible. The bible of course was simply not written in English.
@IMPERATORAUS@HarrisonHSmith Yeah, thatโs part of the story. But thatโs not the whole story. Thereโs plenty of kids who turn out decent who didnโt have a dad. As somebody else said, โitโs not always about who leaves but sometimes about who stays that becomes the problem.โ
@RyanLEllis@poperespecter1 Maybe trads could act normal and not disrespectfully-it would go a long way. Being suspicious of every cleric, suspicious of normal dioceses, suspicious of the new mass etc
Not all of course are like that but many are.
@Alex_Ugidos_@BashlinCore@tweeterthiel Yeah they will and they have been in the past lol
Does the Pope have authority or not? Very odd coming from the โtradsโ lately.
@PKarl330@poperespecter1 The police and schools have corruption. So do the courts. But we judge not on the worst cases of abuse and evil and injustice right? We still see value in those institutions.
@PKarl330@poperespecter1 Didnโt justify anything. didnโt once say it wasnโt sinful/evil. I made the point it wasnโt as widespread as many mistakenly believe it to be. The Church has taken massive steps against this issue as well. Did you believe that the human beings in the Church were perfect?
@PKarl330@poperespecter1 Nobody justified anything bad a predator did. Do you know what percentage of priests were accused in the John Jay Report? Just 4% over several decades (and not all of them proven to actually be predators). Problem? Yes, but a lame reason to not be part of Christโs Church.
@TLM_Ryan Sister, nun, or whatever else, it is infinitely better to be non-schismatic than schismatic. Itโs extremely important to be in the Church. Being a โbased tradโ from outside the Church gains nothing.
Plus there are many good sisters and nuns inside the Church anyway as you know