@mariaebyrd@PGabRomanelli Naked proselytizing is pointless. The profound way St. Teresa evangelized was by living among the poorest of the poor, showing God's love for them every day, and trusting God to stir their hearts. God alone calls souls to His Church, but you all by yourself chose to leave it.
@TheBlueJaguar@Moderatemuch The motif John employs is for you. You are the disciple whom our Lord loves. You should see yourself with our Lord at Cana and in Samaria; with Simon Peter, running ahead of him to the Empty tomb, and before that, standing with the Mother of our Lord at the Cross.
@reborn4christ@poperespecter1 Voluntarily foregoing worship of God on its appointed day violates multiple commandments. It is to make and thereby worship a god of whatever a person chooses to do instead, and it is a failure to keep and observe the Lord's Day.
@TheBlueJaguar@Moderatemuch Why would we need to know John took her as his mother? How does that help us? Because to call it, basically, human logistics, is to say some of the words our Lord said from the Cross could be forgotten and nothing in the faith would change. We know that's not true.
@MICAH_SIXEIGHT@Moderatemuch You are the disciple He loved.
The Gospel of John is perhaps the most beautiful and complex single work in human history. The Evangelist would not spend ink on such minutiae, and every word our Lord spoke from the Cross is for our greatest benefit.
theres an entire supra-legal system that parents have to deal with that no one else has any idea about. no one talks about it because you sound absolutely psychotic. if you manage to explain it, they just think you're describing a fluke one in a million case. they have no idea.
God does not permit demons to trade on His Name.
This is axiomatic; it's also frequently shown in Scripture, especially with Lazarus. Our Lord invokes the Father and raises a man from the dead, the sign of authority is clear, most of all to the Pharisees. Our Blessed Mother always points to her Son. A demon cannot do this.
It is, truly, this simple. The Catholic Church invokes God in all she does; her endurance is, from Pentecost, the loudest of a history of great signs and wonders of Who stands behind her.
@henryjkwallis Condoms, as novelty, are kink. As for your straining for wrongthink to police: truth is superordinate.
Like how "NFP makes for the best marriages" collapses your beliefs into so much wasted time.
But this was all my mistake, not knowing it was a leftist I was taking seriously.
@henryjkwallis@metathomist The marital act is most intense, most loving, and most fulfilling when open to children. That woman gives herself completely to her husband, she loves him wholly more than a woman whose husband wears condoms.
If I could give them the full set?
I'd start with a primer on the superabundance of miracles in the Catholic Church. I would then explain those exist principally for God's glory but also in part because God wants us to know He exists and that the Catholic Church is His Church.
I'd segue from that to faith alone. That we're in fact expected to know the existence of our Triune God, that Jesus is God, that He was crucified and died for us, that He Resurrected, that He saves us.
I'd explain that even people who knew all these things as certain facts still chose to turn from God, and I'd drive the point with the fallen angels and Adam and Eve, all who knew the immediate perfect love of God and still chose to disobey.
I'd explain how there were people who saw Christ Resurrected and still chose not to follow Him, because another point the Bible tells over and over again is how often people listening to our Lord understood exactly what He was saying, and the point wasn't that they didn't believe Him, it's that they didn't want to obey Him.
I'd explain that's the point, choosing to love and obey God, not just having the same knowledge satan and every demon has. I'd explain a lot of people probably don't want proof about God, because that's just proof they should love God, and they don't want to love God.
I'd tell them God gives them the freedom to choose to love Him, that God won't make them love Him, that God will preserve their choice, if they want that of Him.
And I'd tell them, if they want to love God, or they're open to it, they should start praying the Rosary and maybe consider attending a Mass.
If we were outside, I'd then point to a tree, hopefully there'd be a tall and beautiful tree, and I'd say look at that. God made that. That's like the Church God gave us, not just words on a page, a part of creation perceptible by all the senses that you don't need a single word to experience and appreciate, because you don't need a single word to experience and appreciate God, because why would God make experiencing Him depend on a person's ability to read when that skill wouldn't be common until about 1,900 years after the Resurrection of our Lord?
@skydeen_xx@megha_lilly@MetapolitikerX The correct phrasing is she wouldn't need to write.
Women like Plath did nothing except help capital permanently destroy the working class by doubling the supply of labor.
Atomistic reads yield anything their interpreters want.
This is why I name the holistic read and its relationship with the manifest character of the faith. Saint Paul writing "sleep" in his epistles is not sufficient for doctrine. We are looking for the places when he is not directly talking about the long sleep, because to be asleep for thousands of years would have implications for many other points of doctrine.
To give a comparison with the Blessed Virgin: do we find in the portrait of Christ a man whose life contained blood-siblings? We do not. Do we find any typology of God having brothers, sisters, nieces, and nephews? We do not. Do we find in secular history of the first century AD evidence of the sudden appearance of a class of aristocrats provenanced on a legitimate claim to sharing blood with God? We do not. Do we find in the New Testament an explanation to the Jews about Mary, who they would have viewed as the wife of God, who now, apparently is the wife of a man? We do not. Do we find an explanation to those Jews why it was okay for a man to plant his seed in the abode of God? We do not.
Do we find dispositions befitting and oblique reference to the anticipatory thought of Christians, as a rule, having now spent at least ~1,980 years asleep? We do not.
If I'm listening to Saint Paul preaching and he's told me that we're going to be asleep for figurative eons I'm going to look at him very oddly when he says "And I can't wait!" Paul, why are you so interested in going to bed?
I see daylight still and souls to be won for the Lord.
But he doesn't. Paul wants to die because he understands that is immediately when he will meet our Lord, as we are told we will specifically, obliquely, by-implication of other points of doctrine, and so altogether, holistically.
After the holistic message of Scripture, it is doctrine of the Church, it is Sacred Tradition, it is the understanding shown in the earliest days of the Church, most swiftly evinced with the Communion of the Saints, it is substantiated with countless historical miracles all pointing to established doctrine, and so, and above all, it is the manifest character of the faith.
Particular judgment precisely at death, when the person is judged by our Lord. General judgment at the return of our Lord, when all is made known by our Lord as He judges man and the world.
I have a feeling you know the verses I would cite; nevertheless it must be said, the Saints are also described as alive, by our Lord and by Saint John in Apocalypse.
With your familiarity with Catholic doctrine, is it that your points about Mediation are in fact rhetorical because you already know the Church teachings differentiating Covenantal Mediation and intercessory prayer? I would simply say here, our Lord and God need not ask Himself to do something.
And if your standard is to be so strict with what Scripture explicitly records our Lord as commending as practice, do you think it would be unfair for me to ask when you plan to sell all your possessions and devote your life to serving the poor?
Apropos Saint Paul, we have what he wrote in 2 Corinthians and in Philippians. Not just that to be away from body, dead, is to be at home with the Lord; but particularly for Saint Paul in Philippians, his desire is to depart and be with Christ. I don't say this is as a straight line to his expectation of Heaven immediately following death, since you could observe for those in a dreamless sleep it would surely appear instantaneous. I say it that if Saint Paul expected to die and then spend an untold amount of time asleep, he would surely want to stay alive as long as possible so as to offer the most work for our Lord before his long sleep.
From this we can ask of the writings of Saint Paul and all of Scripture: is there a holistic message across the body of text driving to the point of preparing Christians with the understanding that we will spend untold ages asleep? Does the manifest character of the faith suggest that, rather as a rule, Christians have spent 2000 years sleeping?
An idle thought as observation: being the last generation will, of course, be very remarkable; how much more remarkable would it be, in this context, to thus also be the "unsleeping" generation? Do we find this?
To both of these, no.
The character of the faith consistently says the opposite. That our God is the God of the living; that death has no victory, no sting; that to die while in friendship with Christ, to live in Christ, is to be truly alive in Christ. The manifest character of the faith would not see that appended with " . . . well, 'alive,' and, you know, after thousands of years."
The words do matter, and it would be unproductive and dishonest for me to argue veneration as a thing apart from worship. It is apart from the Mass, Eucharist, and Adoration. It is apart from how we order ourselves to God, how we speak and think of God, how we understand God working through the Blessed Virgin, and through His angels and His saints.
When I ask the Blessed Virgin to help me better love her Son, I know all she does comes from God. To quote James: every good and perfect gift comes down to us from the Father of Lights. God delights in us sharing in His good.
@mark_petereit@Burgess7281975 There is much here. Our Lord is born of a woman, and you will note in the passage He names no exception for Himself. We infer the order of our Lord, His New Law, the same He gifted His mother her place in, as we draw in part from the account of the Annunciation.
@ArisakaAya@JadeAtrophis I see the ambiguity in what I wrote. The premise is absurd because the existence of our Triune God is self-evident. A significant number of heresies are dispelled by the understanding that many, many non-Christians do fundamentally know God exists, they just don't care.
@AndToddsaid@ThisOrTheOtter We differentiate forms of worship. "Worship" is not "act owed only to God." Worship is any kind of honor paid to any kind of thing, and much of it is okay, in its proper order. A Saint is more worthy of honor and reflection upon than any transient fixation of men.