@AlWayluLakum@AbuUbaydahEhsan Nothing horrendous about it, it doesn’t matter if a magician is truthful or not, how can a Muslim be pleased with even the imitation of Kufr?
@HasTa11447843 @nasafism @RaadTheShepherd You need to read the works of the ulama & not your own interpretation. Start with the sharh of ibn hajr inshallah
@HasTa11447843 @nasafism @RaadTheShepherd There’s multiple narrations such as the narration of ibn abbas which affirms that the servants of Allah mentioned are angels.
It becomes shirk when it becomes dua, its not that hard to understand. Dua to other than Allah is shirk
@HasTa11447843 @nasafism @RaadTheShepherd The ahadith mention Allah has servants [angels] that are present in deserted lands that can help you when lost, so seeking help from them in such scenarios would be just a normal nida, not dua. If you call out to them for other than that, this would then become Dua, thus shirk
@RadziIqbal@D1mashqi @Jobkurdi I know they are kuffar, but if your saying theyre only kuffar for claiming the prophet ﷺ lied, then thats wrong, as they dont claim he did, if your saying there interpretation entails theyre claiming so, then many muslims fall under the same accusation
@HasTa11447843 @nasafism @RaadTheShepherd If you read the supporting ahadith mentioned by at tabarani you will see it mentions they are are present & able
@HasTa11447843 @nasafism @RaadTheShepherd Firstly its a weak hadith, secondly even if we took the opinion that its meaning is sahih like Imam Ahmad, it would not be shirk, as your asking for help from those who are alive, present & able
@itminani_@sumudmuqawim@ZabAkbar@DrShadeeElmasry Either way his wrong, theres many buildings within Mecca that were built taller than the kaaba under the Ottoman Empire, just look at the pictures from the 1800s
@guywithlibrary@NorbertsBurner The lughwi meaning is irrelevant to determining tawhid & shirk, according to your shari’ definition, such statements can be uttered by a heart full of imam & tawhid.
I have no issue with the Hadith you presented, I don’t see what point you’re trying to bring
@guywithlibrary@NorbertsBurner So by your definition, it’s not shirk to ask the Statue of Liberty for help, as this nida wouldn’t fall under your definition of Duā, nor would it be shirk to direct your Duā to Buddha so long as you intend this nida to be passed on to Allah?
@cherub_92 @MuhibTaqiAlDyn The Abyssinian’s weren’t dancing, they were playing with their spears on a day of Eid, nothing like what the modern day sufis do, doing dhikr while banging their head believing this is some form of ibaadah
@sumudmuqawim@ZabAkbar@DrShadeeElmasry No, if that’s what he meant then that’s different to what he said “they [the ottomans] never built a building taller than the kaaba”