@AGoldmund@minhsmind There's no need to say "right now it’s difficult to discuss objectively because there’s so much at stake and so many genuinely harmful consequences already happening" unless you're self-censoring because of anticipated blowback. He's a smart guy who doesn't hate technology
@MarcusCVance I didn’t use the AI to help myself understand it, but to demonstrate that even an AI gets perfectly why your analogy doesn’t work. The goal should be to be smarter than the LLM, especially for the case you’re making
@MarcusCVance You still don’t get that your analogy forces the claim to be “constructing a building with forklifts is not as impressive as constructing it without” which, on its face, makes the case for why AI is a useful tool, because like forklifts it enables much more impressive buildings
@MarcusCVance Like you think forklifts are bad because people should lift bricks themselves if they want to make a building to live in? That's your position?
@MarcusCVance Because I can analyze things based on their own merits and not purely through the lens of public perception. You made a terrible analogy all on your own with no help from computers, you still expect people to treat you seriously I presume?
@Antrodemus Yes, people famously hate eating any burgers that they didn't completely produce and prepare themselves. Nobody ever goes to McDonald's for this reason. And also, the existence of McDonald's has eradicated high-end and home cooked burgers from the market.
@MarcusCVance That's a good point: the AI can't execute storyboards itself either, and still requires a human too
Of course your own metaphor requires the understanding that you could rent a forklift for yourself rather than hiring a laborer, thus eliminating the laborer, but why think?
@TheArtGun Nobody gets into filmmaking for the love of making a human execute their storyboard ideas. That's like saying architects hate CAD because it's only a real building if you drew the blueprint by hand. And the storyboard isn't the product being sold, so IP is irrelevant.
@MarcusCVance Ok, I asked AI if this was a good analogy. It agrees that it wasn't. Does your dictionary tell you whether your analogy was effective or not? I'm a human telling you it isn't.
@Rec_A_Dork The architect is not offended that CAD replaced their need to hand-draw blueprints, even though this is technically "commissioning a computer to do creative work." Once you come around to more useful mental models to understand this new tooling better you'll see it's no different
@pardon_mi You'd think history teachers would be better at recognizing the patterns of history. When has a transformative new communications technology (printing press, camera, phonographs) NOT caused a moral panic among those who profited off of the previous work processes?
@emtothea This is from 2016. There was no generative AI in 2016. This is him reacting to an older form of AI that has more in common with the 3D modeling that people now defend as the human art being threatened by AI.
@MarcusCVance To you, maybe. I'm finding a lot of uses for it, projects that just couldn't happen within my existing budget without it. The main point I'm trying to make here is just that the thing you're comparing it to in your analogy is already considered extremely useful by everyone
@ErikThurman Pioneers of a medium aren’t concerned with “soiling” the experience of people who just consume what they produce, or with the opinions of those who come after and attempt to imitate their careers. You’re giving Salieri here, not a path I’d recommend anyone
@MarcusCVance You don’t think we should ask who these weirdos are that only want a pile of bricks lifted for the bragging rights?
Like we’re trying to build a house here, I really don’t care who lifted the bricks or even who invented the original forklift
@JackCuthbert But if you want to try and fail anyway to please the people calling you a cunt then just steal a random image from the internet for your flyer or do it in shitty clip art or soulless stock art like we used to back in the good ol days, because who the fuck can afford a designer