@Salt_n_Smoke@Mordie_Kai Why do you hate LDS so much?
John 15:18–20 – "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you."
Matthew 5:11–12 – "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you... and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
Your attitude seems to fit!
@ElJefe53209440@Salt_n_Smoke@Mordie_Kai@grok Still not answered: Where does the Bible say every prophet or every holder of God's authority under the Law of Moses had to be an Aaronic priest?
Moses wasn't an Aaronic priest. Samuel functioned as a prophet and offered sacrifices. Elijah exercised God's Authority. Answer please
@Salt_n_Smoke@Mordie_Kai Where does the Law of Moses say God could never call a non-Aaronic prophet or give him divine authority? And how do you explain prophets like Elijah, Elisha, or Samuel, who exercised God's authority without serving as Aaronic temple priests?
@Salt_n_Smoke@Mordie_Kai The Law of Moses required Aaron's descendants to serve as temple priests. I agree with that. But Lehi is never described as a temple priest—he's a prophet. Those are different roles.
@Salt_n_Smoke What do you believe? Is God incapable of calling anyone outside Aaron's lineage under any circumstances? If so how do you explain Moses who ordained Aaron or prophets like Elijah and Elisha who exercised divine authority but were not Aaronic priests? What principle are you using?
@Faustzme "The Bible is enough."
"Joseph Smith added to God's Word."
"Continuing revelation is deception."
Hello, Sherem. I see you are still around, the accuse of the brethren. Eloquence is not truth.
Substituting sola scriptura etc. Are you a Calvinist by any chance?
@Faustzme Sherem was highly articulate and persuasive Jacob 7:4
He appealed to the scriptures and claimed Jacob went beyond what had been revealed.
Accused the prophet of leading people astray.
Rejected further revelation about Christ beyond his own understanding of scripture... It's you!
@Salt_n_Smoke@ElNoscoBB Genesis 22:11–12 — “The angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven… Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him.”
Abraham obeyed the later angelic instruction rather than the earlier divine command. God blessed him, rather than punishing him. 15-18
@Salt_n_Smoke@IdleGlands if 1 Kings 13 proves that God can never send an angel with further revelation, then the Bible contradicts itself. Angels gave divine messages to Gideon, Daniel, Zacharias, Mary, Joseph, the shepherds and others. Paul received the gospel “by the revelation of Jesus Christ”Gal 1:12
@Salt_n_Smoke 1 Kings 13 doesn’t condemn new revelation. The man of God was punished because he rejected a direct command God had personally given him in favour of another man’s false claim about an angel.
The LDS message is different: don’t blindly trust Joseph Smith—ask God for yourself.
@Hail_Winter Where is the contradiction? Verse 23 says we are saved by grace. Verse 26 says they preach and rejoice in Christ so their children will know where to look for forgiveness. Grace saves; faith leads us to Christ; obedience follows faith. That is Christianity, not a contradiction.
@bentemmers@IdleGlands@RonDuncan7@Salt_n_Smoke Peter was the chief Apostle, yet Paul publicly rebuked him for being wrong and leading others into hypocrisy Gal. 2:11–14. Paul and Barnabas separated. Acts 15:39 Apostles can be inspired and still make mistakes. Why demand infallibility from LDS leaders when the NT never does?
@bentemmers@IdleGlands@RonDuncan7@Salt_n_Smoke Faithfulness doesn’t require defending every action of every leader. I believe McConkie’s treatment of George Pace was unnecessarily harsh. Church leaders are fallible. But their mistakes do not determine whether Joseph Smith was a prophet or whether the Book of Mormon is true.
@RonDuncan7@IdleGlands@Salt_n_Smoke If Joseph simply wrote the Book of Mormon, explain:
The rapid dictation process.
Its complex, interconnected narrative.
Its distinct authorial voices.
The failure of alternative authorship theories.
Witnesses to the plates.
“Joseph wrote it” is an assertion, not an explanation.
@RonDuncan7@IdleGlands@Salt_n_Smoke Hi, Ron. Can you tell me where the Book of Mormon came from? To say that Joseph wrote it himself is frankly ludicrous as this has been debunked so many times and in so many ways.
@Salt_n_Smoke Christ is called “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8), and Paul says God had passed over sins previously committed because of Christ’s coming sacrifice (Romans 3:25).
I fear your hatred of the LDS Faith is blinding your reasoning.
@Salt_n_Smoke That is quite a list of assertions, but simply saying that Latter-day Saints do not understand these things does not establish that your interpretation of them is correct. Your position appears to require remarkably sharp divisions.