Glenton Jelbert

Author & consultant. Active volunteer with Citizens' Climate Lobby. Formerly: VP Engineering (USA); PhD Physics (Cambridge, UK) (he/him)

[Glenton Jelbert @glentonjelbert]

@JonathanRoss321 Lol. I tried but you can't reverse without help.

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@NathanBozeman2 Surely the reason he left has nothing to do with whether he understands it or not?

From wikipedia (but sourced): "By contrast, the Protestant traditions of Anglicanism, Methodism and Pentecostalism uphold the doctrine of prima scriptura,..." (https://t.co/gPso7J3Ux1)

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@NathanBozeman2 Brah. You literally said "I've yet to see someone leave Protestantism who actually understands it."

I get that tweets aren't crafted, but that's what you said.

BTW, do you have some examples of beliefs that are only accepted by Protestants?

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@NathanBozeman2 You said that you hadn't seen anyone leave Protestantism who understood it. Someone responded with someone who's left it despite understanding it. You then said you didn't know if they'd left because of that. Huh?

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@NathanBozeman2 @IFFFMEISTER @TheOtherPaul2 You've dramatically changed your original point.

Your original point felt like a "no true Scotsman" argument anyway.

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@SpeedWatkins Bill Z gave a great talk about TAG, arguing that they exhibit epistemic circularity (and therefore fail). Similar to the point you're hinting at I think. https://t.co/FEhbMPAe3Z

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@justinkarlin @GroqInc No. It's a rack scale system. Rough analogy: you want to build a car. You can (a) build it yourself in your garage, or (b) build it in a giant factory. LPUs are option b.

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@NathanBozeman2 Maybe we have different definitions of high and low? Paul: Jesus is raised up to become God at his death. Hence he barely mentions Jesus's life, miracles, etc. Mk: the Baptism, and so starts his story there. Mt & Lk: birth. John: the beginning. The evolution is the shift earlier.

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@NathanBozeman2 Okay, whatevs. It doesn't make much difference to my point which is that there's a clear evolution over the course of the time it took to write the gospels in numerous threads.

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@NathanBozeman2 YHWH=Hebrew. In Mark, it's son of Theos (not a divinity claim), and the Isaiah quote in 1:3 avoids using Theos from what I remember (despite YHWH in Is!). Mark has the lowest Christology. Miracles don't imply divinity. And Jesus claims the Son of Man has authority to forgive sin.

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@NathanBozeman2 What verse in Mark would you say makes it obvious?

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@NathanBozeman2 The evolution of the story, where details are added and are more impressive each time, is a clear trend. Almost no miracle in Mark, nor any claims at Jesus's divinity in Mark, but increasing with each passing decade and new gospel adding stuff in as the theology develops.

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@NathanBozeman2 Scroll down here and you'll see a diagram: https://t.co/g4O3es4kXT

"Protective anonymity"! So they mention Martha, but inexplicably fail to mention a brother who rose from the dead? Come on, man. There was not that much Christian persecution going on anyway.

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@NathanBozeman2 I get what you're saying, but it falls down in the specifics. Eg John's account of Martha looks like an amalgam of stories from the synoptics. That would explain the artless similarities, but also explains why Lazarus isn't mentioned in Mark, which is hard to understand if real.

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@NathanBozeman2 The double negative is confusing me about your point. But you're comparing:
1. Eye-witnesses validated the writing, and it ended up hopelessly muddled despite that because...er...something.
vs
2. The stories evolved over time by theologically motivated authors.

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@CapturingChrist In your view, could God have created a universe with a different set of moral truths?

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@NathanBozeman2 Here's a different post I wrote a while back on the evidence for the important stuff.

https://t.co/s8Fla66Za4
(There's a second part too that's related).

"Artless similarity" does nothing to improve my view of this.

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@NathanBozeman2 So the other issue here is that the reliability comes from the mundane stuff that doesn't really matter. It's like if you said, "I wore brown shoes and flew to work." Then, if you're asked for evidence that you can fly, you point to the brown shoes.