J.D. Goldstein

Boeing 777 Captain | Retired U.S. Air Force pilot | Cessna 177B Cardinal owner | Enjoyer of beer, single malts, and hot sauce | Avgeek | Opinions mine

[J.D. Goldstein @goldsteinjd]

@polybore @Aviation_Intel Depends on the cause.

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@NTSB_Newsroom Was the plane ever cleared to land? I don’t recall hearing it during the timeline provided during today’s briefing.

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@ChaosAngelMUFC @MCCCANM @JamesInSWGA How much formation flying have you done?

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@acruxalfa Not the first KC-135 lost in combat. One went down in Afghanistan a few years ago. I’m sure there have been others.

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@David_Crayford @MCCCANM That would apply to all jet aircraft. The actual reason is ejection seats are expensive, uncomfortable (not conducive for long flights tanker crews typically fly), and must be designed into the airplane from the ground up so the seat can “get out” of the airframe.

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@girdley It’s a pleasure to fly.

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@RudyHavenstein @StandUpForTrmp Grifter.

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@AirplaneGeeks Great episode, guys. I had two uncontained engine failures (but they kept running) in a C-5 Galaxy as we lifted off the runway due to bird ingestion, but it was no where near as complex as this scenario.

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@atuntable @Watchdog_MP @aviationbrk The other pilot likely put them back in the RUN position.

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@Watchdog_MP @Airrace @aviationbrk No “feeling of falling out of the air”. It would have felt very similar to a normal landing. One G the whole time. Frequent flyers may have noticed a decrease in engine noise, but I suspect most did not.

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@TheAndersPaul @aviationbrk Yes, it was intentional. No, there is no other way to actuate these switches from outside the cockpit. We don’t know the “why” yet, but it looks like suicide/murder to me.

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@ben_sage_1788 @aviationbrk The default setting for the 787 is Flaps 5. Takeoff performance calculations are computed using two different sources, which the crew then compares to each other to determine thrust level, V speeds, flap settings, etc. We select the flap setting as determined by the data.

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@jertam @nypost Well, 80% of the time, it IS our fault, so…

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@therealmogul It doesn’t “suggest” the fuel control switches were placed to CUT-OFF, it confirms it. We just don’t know why.

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@jason_h_1776 You mean “placed into the off position”.

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@Observer_K1 @sjlazars @ShivAroor @theaircurrent Who said Boeing blamed the pilots? As the manufacturer, they are part of the investigation, but they are not in charge of it.

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@TheAmitP @VishnuNDTV Amit, there are a number of checklists in the B-777 which are not “on the ground” or “fire”, such as Engine Severe Damage/Separation, and Engine Limit/Surge/Stall which require the crew to manually move the switches to CUTOFF. Is the 787 different?

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@DOJFBIisbroken @sentdefender Or the crew retracting the flaps instead of the gear after takeoff. An airliner is certified to climb on one engine at max weight, so power likely not an issue. Other video shows the rotation and initial climb as normal. And why weren’t the gear retracted?

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@RFMSSGuru @sentdefender There are a number of warning systems to prevent the crew from taking off with the flaps up. However, inadvertently retracting the flaps after takeoff instead of the landing gear would have the same effect. Others videos show a normal rotation and initial climb.

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@sentdefender Rotation and initial climb look normal. At the point the gear would be retracted, the AOA begins to increase. This could be caused by the crew inadvertently retracting the flaps instead of the gear after takeoff. Also, the Flaps 5 position is very difficult to see from the rear.