@sunilmallya Re: the most informative data available: failures.
Maybe combine a GEPA like mechanism that reflects in the language space, but then suggests new rollouts that with SFT can create some signal in the model, that RLVR could then bring to the surface?
@purbeshmitra Yes, using a larger model, so that the smaller (maybe latency constrained student) can benefit from the extra capacity of its teacher. Still on-policy, still the student does the sampling of the trajectory. But the teacher then creates logprobs on the student's logits as its own.
@purbeshmitra I am wondering about the teacher being allowed to use thinking: high, while the student is only allowed to use thinking: none. This could be helpful for the tutoring, but it could also create hallucinations as the student then learns based on thoughts it did not come up with.
@purbeshmitra This is awesome! Thanks for the explicit writeup of the steps on gh. I am curious, did you try to give the teacher (more) reasoning tokens or tried a higher capacity teacher?
@siyan_zhao@anzhit What do you think about letting the teacher get additional thinking tokens, but only use the thinking tokens for the teacher conditioning, the actual trajectory is sampled from the student and the logprobs of the teacher are used to tutor the student?
@Alex_Ambroz@anon_opin@duolingo As a native German speaker I can tell you: this is not helpful at all.
Unless you shout it. Then it will create friendships left and right. It’s how we Germans are. You are welcome.
@rasmus1610 Just double checking. Read your missing manual to Simba and wanted to know when you post something about GEPA :)
It seems to be a relatively recent trend to have a blog without a feed. I experienced this with @UnslothAI, and a few others, as well.
@rohanpaul_ai I am wondering about your thoughts here. This does not consider the effects of KV-Cache, or does it? The very low MFU for the output tokens should go up a bit when using KV caching and the general cost should go down from 2DN to 2D and a smaller N? Does that make sense?