@WildPatryk@TrompBK@SlawomirDebski Where was 🇵🇱 1991?
I was there and it was not funny.
With the help of 🇪🇺 🇵🇱 became the power you deserve to be. Your history with 🇺🇦 is very complex, tragic and needs a thorough reconciliation process, no doubt.
Let‘s give future a higher priority than tragic history.
@TrompBK@WildPatryk@SlawomirDebski So what? comparing apples to bananas.
🇵🇱GDP as free country almost 30 yrs supported by 🇪🇺 vs🇺🇦fighting bloody war to get out of 🇷🇺sphere of 💩- like 🇵🇱 in 1991.
Are you so afraid of 🇺🇦 you don‘t see the historical patterns?
It is in all our interest to drag 🇺🇦 out of 🇷🇺💩
@MrOizo2k22@SlawomirDebski Shouldn‘t the victim of the biggest war since 1945 in 🇪🇺 have the bigger margin of error?
foreign help is not christianity, it is in our utmost interest for 🇺🇦 to win the fight and become part of 🇪🇺. We all expect 🇵🇱 might be next, let‘s avoid this and give margin of error 🇺🇦?
@GordonGChang@andrewmichta You wan to talk about the wrong turn the US society took?
You have the guts to call 🇪🇺 leadership arrogant and unaccountable 😂😂😂 this is really funny
You guys do everything to make 🇪🇺 great again - Thank you!
@andrewmichta Well, you guys are telling us that populism surges? You smell the problem? Europe will benefit from your political decline. How many states would like to join the US? Zero! How many want to join 🇪🇺? TEN!
@SlawomirDebski But a loss for Tax payers in these countries. Nuclear energy is too expensive, without even calculating the storage for 100’000 years or so for the radioactive trash - does anybody have a place for it?
also increases dependence on foreign raw materials, mostly from 🇷🇺. 👎🏿👎🏿
@JonasToegel Afghanistan hat die beiden stärksten Atommächte besiegt, Vietnam auch eine. Russland wird kollabieren wie 1856, 1905, 1917 und 1991. so einfach ist das ✌️
@kajakallas@OlenaWave No russians should be in 🇪🇺 at all. Why do several hundred thousands of them still vacation in 🇪🇺? Why are the children of the elite still here? Send them all home now. Russia must feel way more pain so it can collapse faster.
@thomasmattersvp 70-80% Zuwanderer sind erwerbstaetig lt Bund. Sie wissen das. Die Frage ist, welche Partikularinteressen veranlassen Sie und Gantner zum Unwahrheiten verzapfen? Wovor haben Sie wirklich Schiss?
Considering my partial Polish roots, I’ve spent a long time thinking about what to write regarding the Ukrainian-Polish scandal, and the crisis in our relations as a whole. But I doubt I could ever say it better than Oleksandr Zinchenko. We have a lot of work ahead of us, and much can be said about the solutions, but we must remember the core truth - without Poland, Ukraine will be weaker, and without Ukraine, so will Poland. 👇
Why is the Polish right-wing turning hostile? Historian Oleksandr Zinchenko argues that it’s not about past UPA history - it’s about fear of Ukraine’s rising geopolitical power. The Polish right realizes that Russia is losing, and they are terrified of Ukraine’s growing agency. Poland is currently acting as a "Traumaland" - making past fears and historical scars the cornerstone of its national identity instead of processing them.
To overcome this crisis and stop mutual re-traumatization, Zinchenko proposes a comprehensive 7-step roadmap for reconciliation:
1. A Liturgy of Mutual Forgiveness - Ukraine should invite the next President of Poland to Kyiv for a joint prayer service at the historic St. Sophia Cathedral. The cornerstone of this spiritual reconciliation must be the powerful formula: "We forgive and ask for forgiveness."
2. Acknowledging Geopolitical Errors - The Polish leadership needs to declare that opposing Ukrainian independence in 1918-1921 was the single greatest mistake in our shared history. That division cost Ukraine millions of lives under Soviet rule, cost Poland hundreds of thousands, and directly led to Poland losing its own statehood in 1939. When we stand apart, we both fall.
3.Humanizing All Victims - We must stop dividing historical pain. A joint declaration should state: "All victims of our tragic past are neither strictly Polish nor Ukrainian - they are ours, they are human." Every act of ethnic cleansing committed in the 20th century by either side must be unconditionally condemned. The tragic deaths of children in Sahryn are no different from those in Wola Ostrowiecka.
4. Breaking the 80-Year Memorial Taboo - Both Presidents must jointly lay flowers at the historical conflict sites - specifically in Sahryn (Poland) and Ostrówki / Wola Ostrowiecka (Ukraine). Despite decades of Ukrainian urgings, no Polish president in over 80 years has taken this step. This historical omission must be corrected.
5. De-anonymizing the Tragedy - We need to move from abstract numbers to human faces. Ukraine and Poland should cooperate to research and publish a complete, nominal list of every single victim of the bilateral conflict, printed in both languages. Every individual must be remembered by name.
6. Agreeing to Disagree on National Pantheons - We must accept that our national heroes will never be the same. Poland must recognize that Ukrainian heroes are not Polish, and Ukraine must recognize that Polish heroes are not Ukrainian. Ukraine will not challenge the legacy of Piłsudski or Dmowski (who allied with Bolsheviks against Ukrainian statehood), and Poland must stop targeting those who fought for Ukraine's independence. We both fought for our freedom. We both won it. Period.
7. Ironclad Mutual Security Guarantees - A new strategic paradigm: Ukraine, possessing the most battle-hardened and powerful military on the European continent, will legally guarantee and actively defend Poland’s sovereignty. In return, Poland, as a major European power, will unconditionally support Ukraine’s integration and its diplomatic efforts for a just, lasting peace.
Ukraine has conquered its own existential fears on the battlefield. Now, we are strong enough to help Poland overcome its historical anxieties. By executing this roadmap, both nations can finally shed the baggage of the 20th century and build an unbreakable, equal alliance for the future.
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@ronzheimer@KurtPelda Danke, dass Sie das so klar ansprechen!
Köppel ist eine Schande für die Schweiz, ein Landesverräter und einiges mehr, dass ich besser nicht schreibe.
Ich habe Null Verständnis wie die grösste Schweizer Partei solches toleriert.