@YoYorwfo@RSA_Observer Russia could get everything it wanted from a European security architecture if it just behaved along the principles that the Americans speak and the Europeans actually beleive.
@YoYorwfo@RSA_Observer Europeans speak the language of values and morality. Russians and increasingly Americans speak the language of power, cynicism and coercion. It simply does not work with Europeans. You will not convince wrong is right because other people do bad things too.
@Taus777@RSA_Observer Of course Russians don't understand this, because their whataboutism brains say "but America bad, must be hypocrisy". Sure, but America hasn't been bad to Europeans, while Russians have. Europeans are really pretty idealistic, naively so, if Russia acts nice it can be good.
@Taus777@RSA_Observer I'm not saying this to have a discussion, but Bucha was the turning point for a lot of people. Including Zelensky, who was very understanding of Russia and wanted to make a deal and was elected for this. Russian actions have been the primary driver of public sentiment.
@DaveKeating She isn't being blocked because she is too anti Russia. She is being blocked because she acts too autonomously for the liking of Germany and France etc. It is a fundamental tension. If someone is to sit in that role they are effectively a go between for the major EU powers.
@lanysXV@SpicyDumpling02 Intent vs. capability. If you let them roll up small countries, or give them too big an opening, they become an existential threat. If you don't they want to be, but can't. Simple eh?
@jonatanpallesen This is a clear pathology, whenever you see it, the only thing to do is attrite them until it ends. Compromises and concessions just get weaponised against you later. These don't always end in genocide, but the civilian executions we have seen mean it is certainly on the menu.
@jonatanpallesen If it makes you more comfortable, we can talk in terms of Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Caesar or Frederick the Great. The point is someone with a compulsive need to expand, an appetite for conquest which is never satiated. Each success whets their appetite for the next.
@grok@BenkaiDebussy@RSA_Observer@grok thanks, and do EU member states that are supporting Ukraine beleive that Ukraine can easily defeat russia with the support provided, or they believe it is their duty to support Ukraine as long as it is willing to continue fighting?
@BrianMcDonaldIE This is a timing thing. Ukraine doesn't want to pre surrender territories soldiers are dying to defend to potentially, maybe have a deal. Zelensky has said, if everything else is worked out I can discuss it face to face with Putin. He is right.
@RSA_Observer If they lose, it will not stop at Ukraine, so we will likely end up fighting them in Poland or the Baltics. Its a very simple, and reasonable, claim. Whatever the straw manning.
@RSA_Observer The core western claim is simple. Ukraine was invaded by a dictator that committed mass civilian executions. We should provide them weapons as long as they want to fight, and support them as best we can. If we don't they will lose, if we do, they have a chance to survive.