@Koziyak@sola_chad Rather, by the direct causation of God or by the allowance of God. But just because God allows an event to happen, doesn't make him responsible for it. He allowed jesus christ to be crucified, but he's not responsible for the sin of those who crucified him
@CreedalHeretic@residentreformr If you could do something that God didn't permit, then God would not be all powerful being able to violate a all powerful being means. He is not all powerful and thus not worthy of worship.
@Koziyak@sola_chad Sin is rebellion against God's will. God knowingly, allowing sin to happen doesn't make him acuntable for it.
Also, God does interfere with people's will. There's nowhere that it says that he will never do that
@frenlylion@1984_nate No calvinists hold to the traditional view of free will the idea of
libertarian free Will, which is the idea that we have total free will like God. It is a completely novel and new idea, For the christians
@JSargentRR@CrouseGreg69485@JackmanRobert That's not talking about will as in free will. That's like me asking my telling my kid if he is good before we go into the store I'll by him something.
@rootcausesleuth I love you as well as a brother in the faith, the only time I have a issue is when others Christians say calvinists aren't Christians.
@Koziyak@sola_chad Isn't upholding any from of interfering? How could he says that he holds the universe together but he doesn't do anything? God isn't the author of sin because sin is disobedience to God. He didn't disobey himself.
@Koziyak@sola_chad If God is all powerful, the alpha, and omega, the beginning. And the end, then nothing could exist without him interfering with it. And I can demonstrate it.
Outside of God, there would be nothing. So for anything to happen, it must happen by him.
@AmericanGadfly2@TheStaticMoves@Chris_Harris111 Calvin is clearly even free, will the same way. It's been articulated for over a thousand years. In christian history. The will that we deny is libertarian free will, which came up in the enlightenment. The idea that man's will is equal to God's