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[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@oloverink @LeahLibresco @dilanesper @DouthatNYT They didn't "make sure she was born". They simply declined to kill her before she was born, and fulfilled their moral duty to love her while she lived, whether in utero or as a neonate.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@dilanesper @DouthatNYT you're almost there. the actual christian position is "you're supposed to love, even if it makes you suffer."

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@DerekPederson3 https://t.co/rwFzA8gO79

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@AsherBrunnert My goal in having more kids isn't to beat some other demographic though, it's to bring more love into my life and the world at large.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

"choose what's right for me" 🚩🚩🚩

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@JulianHeliosII @ReptilianRebel @martianwyrdlord @BaronVonSchizo it's possible to run ivf in such a way that no more embryos are created than the parents are willing to implant. a post-abortion state that wished to stop short of a full ban could theoretically mandate ivf operate like this.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@AStratelates that's why it's a screen. the guy who kicked off this discourse presumably screened high-risk, got the follow-up amniocentesis (accuracy >98%), and aborted on that basis. is anyone aborting based purely on the screen?

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@fiscal_respons @hf_222222 to be clear, there are several different tests - most are simple blood draws from the mother with no risk to baby. But amniocentesis (sampling the fluid around the baby) is the most definitive test, and it has a ~1/200 chance of causing a miscarriage.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

The night we had the screening results come in, I prayed through tears that if this was the path God had planned for my child to enter the beatific vision that He would give me the grace to accept it with joy.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

We can and we do. Our fourth child was assessed high risk for T21 and we never even considered their life unworthy of living.

Insofar as this post correctly observes the behaviour of the PMC it is just an indictment of their moral smallness.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@NDRepublicans As for producing more joy in the lives of those around them, it's your choice to disbelieve their families I guess. There's more hardship, more sorrow, and more joy in the examples I've seen.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@NDRepublicans Feel free to point me to a counter-example, but I have never heard somebody call *Down Syndrome* a blessing; the *child who has Down Syndrome* is the blessing.

Chromosomal disease may be a result of the fall; children with the disease are unambiguously good.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

We have donated several thousand dollars to friends navigating the adoption process in the US.

It's a drop in the ocean. The adoption agency has told them they'll need $50-85k.

[Patrick Heizer @PatrickHeizer]

There are ~100,000 kids in the US foster care system.

You can start the adoption process today, if you actually wanted to.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

We can and we do. Our fourth child was assessed high risk for T21 and we never even considered their life unworthy of living.

Insofar as this post correctly observes the behaviour of the PMC it is just an indictment of their moral smallness.

[Amanda is going to LessOnline! @BethlehemAmanda]

Exactly! You can't do pro-natalism without abortion. You won't convince educated PMC women to have kids if you make every pregnancy into a roll of the dice.

"If you can't handle a disabled child, then don't have children at all."

"Ok, then I won't."

"No, not like that!"

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@AsherBrunnert My goal in having more kids isn't to beat some other demographic though, it's to bring more love into my life and the world at large.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@MBurtwrites otoh it's entirely un-Christian to think as if the way you parent has no influence on your child's faith. We expect our kids to be Christians, and they will grow up knowing it; their childhood is not a mere staging ground for unfettered self-expression / self-creation

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

I did, and it's a sobering read. Unconvincing, but that could be because my experience is different (i.e. many of the actions described match my parents / my own as a parent, with none of the accompanying ruined relationships / faith). But I'd like to read more!

[Marissa Franks Burt @MBurtwrites]

I invite the spanking defenders to sit w/this entire 🧵

*You are 3 yrs old.*

Daddy comes over to where you are playing. His voice is calm, but his face is mad.

“I told you to pick up your toys, didn’t I? You didn’t obey me, did you? You know what that means,” he says. +

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@MBurtwrites This is the part of your thread I agreed with the most. It's singularly unhelpful for Christian parents to encounter parenting advice as "the formula by which you can obligate God to give you a faithful child", whatever the advice is.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

One problem I have with the approach of this thread is that it invites the opposite error to what is often used in pro-spanking circles: "is my spanking / failure to spank the reason my kid left the faith?" are both pretty unlikely imo. Maybe it's better fleshed out in the book.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@beanskuller @mbateman All part of a parent's toolbox imo. Knowing when to use what is most of the challenge.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@mbateman The physical aspect of punishment seems artificially emphasised. Grounding a child is deliberate infliction of pain for instruction and formation, it's not miles from spanking.

[prayer worrier @strangerseas]

@mbateman While most of the heat in the debate is along the spank/don't spank line, I think the larger philosophical divide is between those who will punish *at all* and those who won't.