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[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@beati_mites @JesusandWhatnot That doesn't refute the fact that church about this matter has nothing inherently negative to say about wearing bikinis. Which again, is a fact. Think with me, if it was 'clearly' immodest as you all want to paint, wouldn't the church *explicitly* condemn this today?

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@no_salv @JesusandWhatnot Well, that's kinda what he is suggesting when he says Pope Pius condemned it. A Pope would only explicitly condemn something if it were sinful.

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@fideidefensor33 @JesusandWhatnot I am saying the Catholic Church doesn't condemn it clearly, saying it is intrinsically evil. Which is true. You say previous popes agree, I say the Church teaches other thing today.
So you choose what you want to believe: the current Church teaching or previous popes

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@fideidefensor33 @JesusandWhatnot I think the burden of proof is on you, because if we are discussing it rn, it's a sign it's not infallible. If it was infallible, we wouldn't be debating it, don't you agree?

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@fideidefensor33 @JesusandWhatnot "The church's unchanged teachings are infallible". - Yes, what is infallible doesn't change. But this matter is not infallible, hence it may change
The thing is that, if it is not infallible, we should see with higher regard what the Church officially teaches.

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@JesusandWhatnot but truth is, we cannot measure modesty like this because as you can see, what you consider immodest for other person may not be.
Now here's my and our *Catholic* rule of thumb - see what the church currently teaches about the matter and follow it. God Bless🙏

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@JesusandWhatnot Second, I really don't like your second argument there: if it would be blasfemous to draw the Virgin Mary (or Jesus, people who we regard with high reverence I imagine) wearing a certain attire, then it's not modest at all. It may sound compelling, (+)

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@SportingCP Let's gooo🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@patrikecb Real Madrid🙋‍♂️

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@riecker AND taking medical treatment. God gives us grace as a gift, but medicine is also a gift He gave us, so we should not dismiss neither of them.

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@RealestMemes_ Both are lying

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@fiamaetc Pra mim a melhor maneira é rezar pela pessoa. É impressionante, quando eu rezo o negócio vai embora. Se não passa na hora, rezo no dia seguinte até que eventualmente passa. Acho muito mais prático do que tentar manipular a nossa mente e as nossas emoções.

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@catholiccom @The_Catechumen Let him cook! Welcome.🙏

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@michaelhitack This is so sad!

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@ChelseaFC Cook that Fraud!

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@SkyVirginSon I Love Jesus!

[Wagner @wagnerrmfc]

@SkyVirginSon Amen