@Warbz@KosSamaras Racist is the guy who thinks we need special unelected gov bodies for a racial minority.
U r the racist
Also btw shaming a whole country that it is racist backlashes. No one is racist here. People live in a normative 21st society.
@chamath @EricSchubert12 i agree, but and it's because of the nonlinearity of complex adaptive systems but just to be clear - it's an opinion, and a hope, not derived out of a calculation or a model. which is fine.
Is debate the best format here?
is this a political question of policy? or a data-driven analysis of statistical significance with conflicting data, ambiguous results and ever evolving scientific knowledge?
We already know Trump can win any debate - so what does it tell us about truth?
the entire point of the scientific revolution was to move away from he said she said "debates" into a boring ,slow, thoughtful, reviewable, methodical, empirical, data-driven, peer-reviewed truth seeking process, which, despite its many faults, is better than the alternative - demagogues and populists.
but sweet. 1.5m to fuel some debates. i'm in
"letting the public decide" is such a nice idea. The problem (that Greek democrats noticed 2000 years ago btw) is that the "public" - whatever that means really - isn't too savvy when it comes to ambiguous, complex, technical issues, often with conflicting data. That's why we kinda we invented the discipline of scientific inquiry - slow, thoughtful, methodical, empirical, data-driven, peer-reviewed truth seeking process, which, despite its many faults, is better than the alternative - demagogues and populists.
Some topics don't lend themselves to is political debates on prime time tv.
or a "conversation" with joe.
just saying.
but sure, let's give it a shot
@balajis@AriDavidPaul you mean open debate with credible sources, peer review content, empirical evidence, long boring data analysis right? i'm just worried that type of open debate is not so good for attention economy
@packyM Apple is able to articulate a vision in a way no other company can. Itβs not only the products, itβs also the incredible finesse of the videos and use cases. Compare that to that awkward metaverse video by meta.
Personally, I found Bengio's article less lucid and straightforward than I'd hoped, but still, it's a commendable step forward.
Manipulating people to achieve desired outcomes may seem trivial when one has access to their information channels. Humans engage in this practice regularly, so it's reasonable to assume that Artificial Superintelligence (ASI) could do it as well.
Assuming we implement biometric KYC on social media - ensuring every voice originates from a human - the next logical progression is probably robots. So, can ASI design and build robots, or even organisms, to carry out its tasks? Could it even manipulate humans to control them?
Who truly knows? It's ASI - it's presumed capable of feats beyond human comprehension.
@pmarca i wish there was some AI system that could take all that lovely thoughtful discussion and just remove all idiosyncratic US-specific nonsense. I mean - not everything in history is directly related to the American culture war
mmm yes. i was being sarcastic
Marc Andreessen made a bunch of points in his long piece regarding why AI is not killer robots but just software that will save the world etc. At some stage of he said that "AI Doomism" became a cult, and mentioned that California has long history with cults.
u mentioned Bulverism, which i think applies here. I am not Californian nor American and much like the rest of the world -i don't really care about the idiosyncratic culture-war related arguments but rather about specific technical and logical arguments on this important issue. Does it add value or weight to the argument as to whether or not CA has history with cults? no, probably not.
how did i go? better?
@ciphergoth@ESYudkowsky@mattyglesias Thatβs right: ai is ok and safe because California has long tradition of cults. Solid logic and Awesome news for everyone who isnβt Californian or American