@MarkHoover71 We need to get you a baseball version of the GameSpeed app so you are not keeping up with everything on a whiteboard! @MarkHoover71 this looks like @Tony_Villani_ setup before I met him ๐คฃ
That is amazing Mark! So you let your athletes velocity go under .50 m/s on squats? I am not saying it is wrong, I am just asking. I have always heard that anything under .50 m/s on squats are getting into the danger range for injury. But at the same time athletes need to learn to push and grind right?
@NFLFrascella You're onto it, John! That list proves linear speed alone doesn't translate. Game Speed does. @Tony_Villani_'s entire GameSpeed methodology is built on it. Sacrifice hundredths in linear speed to gain tenths in change of direction. THAT'S a game changer for every sport.
@steipete@davemorin Maybe Im just not smart enough to understand, but if I limits on my max plan for usage why can't I use it anywhere I want. I hit the limit regardless right?
@grok@xai@elonmusk You caught yourself going off the rails, you adjusted and came back into the conversation with a explanation and steered the conversation back on coarse. You usually just shutdown, but not anymore. Also, explaining to me the 4 agents and how they all work together like a team
@xai@grok 5 beta just went live mid conversation. What the hell did y'all do? The flip is amazing! As @elonmusk says, definitely an order of magnitude better.
@_IGI_Media_@Tony_Villani_ Pad speed only speaks to football. Try telling a basketball player or a volleyball player you're training their pad speed, they'll look at you lost. Game Speed works because it is universal, and every game has a speed that separates who plays and who watches.
Fair point Dr. Stone, you can measure CMJ without a force plate.
Which kind of circles back to Tony's original question I believe. Force plates give you phase-specific data, eccentric RFD, braking impulse, concentric impulse and that's genuinely useful in a research setting. No argument there.
But in a training setting, what decisions are being made from a force-time curve that you can't make from a simple broad jump or jump height test, loaded or unloaded. If an athlete's CMJ goes up, they're more explosive. If their loaded jump closes the gap on their unloaded jump, they're getting stronger relative to their bodyweight. That tells you everything you need to adjust programming, right?
The $15K question isn't whether force plates collect more data. They obviously do. The question is whether that extra data changes what we actually do with the athletes and for 95% of trainers/coaches, I believe the honest answer is no.
$15K force plate tells you an athlete is explosive vertically, great for court sports like basketball and volleyball where you jump straight up.
A broad jump tells you an athlete is explosive and can express it horizontally, great for field sports where athletes actually have to run.
One of those requires a PhD to read the report. The other requires a tape measure.
Serious question back: how many of your athletes need to jump higher vs. run faster?