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@Tobias_Writes@glennklockwood It's funny to think how GPUs from like the early 2000s could just run fine with power from the PCIe slot and had the tiniest coolers imaginable, and now they're to the point where submerged cooling is a reasonable (even necessary) option.
@coreteks@Underfox3 The problem with testing a CPU based on 4K gaming performance is that it really doesn't tell you anything. The right thing to do is get some CPU bound data and then provide good analysis for it, keeping in mind that low GPU load testing isn't indicative of all scenarios.
@HardwareUnboxed Yea those people have sort of a fundamental misunderstanding of bottlenecking, and also probably don't appreciate that testing at another resolution is very time consuming. Like for me that would push back a review or a testing video by a day, maybe more.
You can definitely get away with a cheaper CPU for 144 FPS (240 FPS is the mark where you really start seeing gaps in most or all games) but yea this is basically the gist with CPUs.
"I just want to see how it performs at 4K, is there a difference"
Unaware one persons 4K is not another persons 4K.
- If you game at 4K and require 60 fps, for the most part you need not worry about CPU performance, at least the best of the best type performance.
- If you game at 4K and require 144 fps, you want the best CPU you can afford.
It's almost like resolution doesn't really matter and it's all about how many frames a CPU can throughput.
@HardwareUnboxed In context of best CPU someone can afford I'd say it's not that high end, it's half the price of flagship chips. That's what stuck out to me since the 9700X isn't far off from say the 7800X3D or the 14900K.
@HardwareUnboxed But also by cheaper CPU I mean like a $200 to $300 model from the latest gen or last gen. Like yea, CPUs from 2020 or earlier are unsurprisingly showing their age. The 3950X and 5800X results aren't very surprising.
@HardwareUnboxed I weight the games I test more with popular titles and less with the latest ones, partly because I don't have the budget for them. But in the ones I do test, the 9700X and up can achieve more than 144 FPS in every game at least at 1080p with the lowest preset.
@PatrickMoorhead@perplexity_ai That answer is correct though, RFK was famously assassinated during his 1968 presidential campaign. Funny it pulled up Jr.'s picture though.
That reminds me, I have a ton of info on UserBenchmark and its origins that I researched for an investigation that unfortunately did not turn up anything earth shattering... maybe I should take another look though.
UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D β says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world performance' https://t.co/vFsMPEOUzD
@T_Motes@CapFrameX You're really just splitting hairs, the value proposition was underwhelming. And for the overall product stack, that there were only four models for over a year is ridiculous. And AMD had to scramble to offer new models in response to Intel. It was sloppy.
@T_Motes@CapFrameX This is an area where I really disagreed with the reviewers at the time and still do with alot of people (such as right now). The 5600X was also really bad because it represented a 20% price hike for 20% more performance. Not to mention the whole chipset controversy.
@firstadopter In places with high sales tax like where I live, the PS5 Pro might hit that $1000 mark after the tariffs. Best case scenario is probably $800.
@T_Motes@CapFrameX I get that COVID happened, but it doesn't change the fact that Ryzen 5000 was a bad deal when it launched, it was a bad deal throughout 2021, and it was still a bad deal when Intel dropped a bunch of 12th Gen SKUs up and down the stack. Ryzen 7000 helped make 5000 look good too.
@T_Motes@CapFrameX I just want to point out that the 3600's MSRP is $200. That used chips were only going for a few dozen bucks cheaper at best (apparently they exceeded $200 in December!) is crazy. People were actually complaining about this back then. https://t.co/Ox52dEBxt1
@T_Motes@CapFrameX That's not my recollection, every CPU was pretty expensive until late 2021, at which point 12th Gen was out and wiped the floor with AMD.