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[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@RayRedacted Yup - witnessed it, now kids want to do speed climbing :)

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@RayRedacted saw your son in Krakow but realized you’re here :).

[Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand]

After reflection, this new narrative by Palantir is probably much more consequential than people may assume.

Palantir is basically being the canary in the coal mine announcing the death of two major assumptions propping up the US economy right now:

1) that AI labs will be able to extract significant economic rent - as opposed to AI models being mere commodities

2) that other countries can accept structural dependency on US technology and services without pushing back on sovereignty concerns

Why are Palantir specifically starting to be vocal about this?

First off, major middle-powers, even US “allies”, are one by one showing them the door. In June, France announced that the DGSI - its domestic intelligence agency, which had relied on Palantir since the 2015 Paris attacks - would replace it with French firm ChapsVision, with Prime Minister Lecornu explaining (https://t.co/SLhEGprBZC) that France “cannot accept new strategic dependencies in the digital sphere” and shouldn't depend on the goodwill of companies “capable of turning off the tap.”

Germany moved even earlier: its domestic intelligence service, the BfV, also selected ChapsVision over Palantir (https://t.co/pDZVj4SYUY), and the German military has said it will no longer use Palantir at all. Then, just this week, Spain instructed state-controlled companies - including strategic firms like Telefónica, Indra and Navantia - to avoid signing any new contracts with Palantir (https://t.co/0ik4UAFrT7).

Even in the UK, Washington's most loyal vassal, the NHS's £330 million data contract with Palantir is under review following parliamentary pressure (https://t.co/uJl6g4BMsW), and London Mayor Sadiq Khan blocked a proposed £50 million Palantir contract with the Metropolitan Police.

Palantir making a lot of noise around them caring about sovereignty makes a lot of sense: it's damage control since they keep being told they're a sovereignty risk.

I doubt it will work - because it's true: they are a sovereignty risk - but the fact that they feel the need to be vocal around this tells you where the wind is blowing: they're not shaping the narrative, they're reacting to one they're losing.

What they're saying against closed-source AI (basically a broadside attack on OpenAI and Anthropic), is again highly self-serving. Palantir's sudden love of open-weight AI models conveniently coincides with them launching 2 days before a partnership with Nvidia to sell exactly that: open models models (NVIDIA's Nemotron) in sovereign environments.

So it's essentially a product launch.

It doesn't make what they're saying wrong: it is factual that the value proposition of closed-source AI labs looks increasingly unsustainable. I mean: you're paying 10X the price of Chinese open-source AI models for something that's not really better (or just marginally) and on top of that you have zero control over your data, or the models themselves.

When Palantir says that "the architecture that maximally preserves sovereignty is one that enables institutions to own their tribal knowledge, and to compound it as alpha," they're right. I'd add that this also means you shouldn't trust Palantir either with that "tribal knowledge"... they obviously left this part out 😉

When you take a step back, these two things have major implications on many other US companies.

SpaceX - which just went public at the largest IPO valuation in history - is one clear example as I describe in my latest article on the new space race with China (https://t.co/JK3ELAyEVO).

If countries like France concluded with Palantir that they couldn't depend on a company “capable of turning off the tap” when it’s merely analyzing their data, what should they conclude about a company that aims to literally control their entire connectivity - at one man's whim, from space?

What percentage of SpaceX's crazy market cap is based on the assumption that foreign governments will not do to Starlink what they're currently doing to Palantir?

And SpaceX - or Palantir - aren't alone: a significant proportion of the top US tech giants, who rose in a world where no one questioned American technological hegemony, now face an environment that's much less conducive to the kind of lock-in their business models - and valuations - depend on.

When you pair this with the fact that it increasingly looks like the US made a wrong bet with closed-source AI - an extremely expensive wrong bet - the picture that emerges is of a country that bet its economic future on two things - proprietary AI and captive allies - and is losing both at the same time.

And to compound the problem, it doesn't help that the official narrative of the US government - via the voice of Jacob Helberg, the Under-Secretary of State (https://t.co/Z1rotPl9Ee) - is to be vocally opposed to "AI Sovereignty": essentially telling everyone "you know what, your worst fears are real, our tech companies are really out to undermine your sovereignty."

Read Helberg's post (the one I linked) and put yourself in the shoes of - say - a European or Asian leader and ask yourself how you'd react to being told that building your own AI capabilities is "marching in perfect formation into the past," that your pursuit of sovereignty is really just "synchronized mediocrity," and that your only path to the future runs through American technology.

If it was me in a position of power, I'd read this as a massive wakeup call: when another country's official position is that your sovereignty is a problem, history says you're about to need it.

So yes, it looks like - unexpectedly - Palantir, of all companies, is being quite the canary in the big tech mine. Yes they obviously do this for self-serving and cynical purpose, and yes they're of course also very much part of the problem and not the solution. But it doesn't make them wrong: sometimes it takes a vulture to tell you something is dying.

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[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@Scaramucci That was, very good. I knew of you superficially - ready to adjust the view.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@mattpressberg Not a soccer fan but would have loved to see some matches with the kids. When I saw the ticket prices and the acrobatics required to secure the tickets and get to the games, pff - as the OP said, I’m not an ATM.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@johnofgauntlet @godspeed_aflame What the fuck? Is this just a hot take for engagement?

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@Grady_Booch Cybersecurity too. Re-learning the lessons on a speed run.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@joakimbook @allenf32 Ability to explain things using plain and clear language is a skill, especially in the LLM era. That writing does not exhibit that skill. Extremely self important. Fine I’ll give it another go when I have more time and will report back . Send a rescue party if I don’t.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@joakimbook @allenf32 Forced myself to get through the first 10%: false dichotomies, straw men, convenient assumptions. Clear agenda from the start. I want my time back.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@radmadvlad What do you do for segmentation and isolation within the lab?

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

Speaking plainly and clearly will be a talent in the AI era.

Tell me what you’re talking about in 3-4 sentences. Then we can get into details.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@Amank1412 Why not get the abstract syntax tree out of the compiler and operate on that.

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@karpathy We should all revisit the classic paper "On Trusting Trust" from Ken Thompson https://t.co/9lxJ8uiBhZ . When you code with a model, how do you know that a model is not inserting biased code. If you're using a model from <insert your adversary here>, does it put in backdoors?

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@dlevine815 I find myself scrolling and searching for core points in between clarifications.
Let me mark, pin or label responses and build an index of the conversation. Allow flushing of the chat of everything but the pinned answers to regain focus. Ie all the clarifying questions

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@chamath Don’t you have people to scam? Gettouttahere

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@anton_chuvakin @ZackKorman Question is how many default to “for you” and prune aggressively vs. the accounts that they follow feed. My guess is that the former wins (just a guess)

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

@anton_chuvakin Hmm, /r/cybersecurity (broad, but big), r/netsec, r/sysadmin. Have to mention r/blueteamsec but it’s a small audience

[Dmitriy @ThreadState]

Twitter/X pushing right wing content HARD right now. What happened in the last 24 hours?