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@roblee_rl Yeah, weโve tried different chunk lengths, but even with discrete actions, reasonably long chunks still seem necessary. Still a bit of a mystery!
Thanks! Thatโs a sharp observation. By โsensible actions,โ do you mean lower EEF MSE on the validation set? If so, I agree, but lower MSE doesnโt necessarily translate into higher rollout success rates.
I also wonder how much this depends on training scale. The >99% training-set token accuracy requirement might be specific to smaller-scale settings; at VLA scale, even training-set accuracy may never reach that level. When comparing rollout success rates rather than MSE, Iโm not convinced discrete policies necessarily learn more slowly than continuous ones even in earlier stages.
We observed something similar: CFG provided only modest gains for continuous flow in our experiments. That might partly explain why these WAMs omit action-head CFG. Standard CFG also requires an extra unconditional evaluation at each step, which is a burden for inference as well.
Our interpretation is that CFG helps DR much more than DF because it sharpens token distributions, reducing mode ambiguity and the resulting factorization error. DF already mitigates this through iterative refinement, leaving less room for CFG to help. So even a single application of guidance can make a big difference for DR.
Cool idea! TBH, we havenโt tried that yetโwe kept the CFG implementation consistent across heads for a controlled comparison. Agreed that the unconditional DR predictor should recover the empirical bin frequencies, though jointly learning that prior might still benefit the shared network.
Good question! The key insight is that, except for tasks requiring extremely high precision, such as Tool Hang in RoboMimic, 256โ512 bins per action dimension are generally sufficient, and even 128 bins work well for many tasks. These often correspond to a spatial resolution of roughly 0.2โ0.4 cm for 256โ512 bins, or 0.8 cm for 128 bins. However, reducing the number of bins further can lead to noticeable precision loss.
11/12 Takeaway: we may need to ๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ซ๐จ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ฎ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ.
Uniform bins, the simplest discrete actions, match or beat continuous heads once their tokens are kept consistent, through guidance or iterative refinement.
Perhaps robot actions are ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง: they can be tokens too.