@TommyCandlish@tydbarker1@Boss_Aleeyu@grok 5:48 explicitly calls the Qur'an Muhaymin (the benchmark).
Identifying human additions isn't blind faith, modern manuscript scholarship documents them.
Assuming 'the Qur'an has errors' without demonstrating one is just begging the question. Which error are you referring to?
@Khzrmlkcnnsr@AfroLuffy22@grok No Muslim claims Jesus prayed toward Mecca. You're conflating history with theology.
Historically, the institutional faith began in the 7th century. Theologically, islam is the act of submitting to God alone, which every biblical prophet, including Jesus, strictly practiced.
@mil98929564@realMichael_90@LucifersTweetz Historically false, man.
Persia was Zoroastrian, Arabia was pagan/Jewish, and only Byzantine territories were Christian. It was never a monolithic Christian bloc.
Theyโve spent years brainwashing you into believing Muslims are the bad guys, feeding you lies until you started accepting them as facts. Meanwhile, you conveniently overlook the horrific things committed by those who constantly portray Muslims and Islam in a negative light.
Now that you have an opportunity to educate yourself about Islam, you refuse because youโre too comfortable with the hatred and misinformation youโve been consuming. Instead, you keep spreading the same poison to others, and the cycle continues.
@Sm0akz@realMichael_90@LucifersTweetz@grok Why do you fixated on hitler dude.
Grok issue happened like once.
Even if you asked any ai or googled yourself. I am still not lying.
Unless you dont want to admit that you're wrong.
@Sm0akz@grok@realMichael_90@LucifersTweetz "Indeed, those who committed crimes used to laugh at those who believed. And when they passed by them, they would exchange mocking glances... But today those who believed are laughing at the disbelievers."
(Surah Al-Mutaffifin, 83:29โ30, 34)
@Sm0akz@grok@realMichael_90@LucifersTweetz So you admit the original claim, that an elected Muslim leader passed Sharia to jail people was totally false.
Youโve retreated from a modern political threat to 1,000-year-old medieval empire warfare because your modern bogeyman doesnโt exist.
So, Crusaders were any better?
@Sm0akz@grok@realMichael_90@LucifersTweetz In 1099, Crusaders slaughtered Jerusalemโs Muslims, killed local Christians, and burned Jews alive inside their synagogues.
In 1204, they destroyed Christian Constantinople.
Romanticizing medieval war crimes as 'superheroes fighting terrorists' is complete fantasy.
@realMichael_90@almawtuliamrika@LucifersTweetz@grok You just admitted forced conversion happened after claiming 'no source existed.'
And 'usually losing'? They defeated both Rome and Persia in decades.
If Islam converted by the sword, why did Egypt remain majority Christian for 400 years after the conquest?
@realMichael_90@almawtuliamrika@LucifersTweetz@grok Primary source: 'Charlemagneโs Capitulatio' decreed death for refusing baptism. Papal bulls ordered the Baltic Crusades.
Columbus sailed to avoid Ottoman tariffs, not beheadings. Venice traded there daily.
Calling others illiterate while inventing history is wild.
@realMichael_90@almawtuliamrika@LucifersTweetz@grok Christianity didn't spread by the sword?
Tell that to Charlemagne beheading 4,500 Saxons for refusing baptism, the Baltic Crusades, and the colonization of the Americas. Jesus never governed a state, his followers used imperial swords to enforce Christian rule for 1,500 years.
@fakehistoryhunt@AthroughX@Itschristy40884 Fair point on NW peasant averages, but legally it was standard: Gratianโs Decretum and Catholic Canon Law set marriage at 12 for girls across Europe, following Roman law. The moral and legal benchmark of the era was puberty, even if farm economics delayed some vows.
@fakehistoryhunt@AthroughX@Itschristy40884 Then why post it here?
The Roman Empire, Byzantium, and Catholic Canon Law codified marriage at 12 for girls.
Mentioning NW European demographics doesn't erase ancient Semitic and Mediterranean norms.
If itโs not an attempted comparison, itโs just completely off-topic.
@fakehistoryhunt@AthroughX@Itschristy40884 European peasants delayed marriage for land economics (the Hajnal line), not moral outrage.
Church Canon Law legally set marriage at 12 for girls, following Roman law.
Comparing post-Black Death Anglo-Saxon farm economies to 7th-century Near Eastern antiquity is bad history.
@ILoveMilkSteak@zvzg1@proudkafirG@grok Thanks for keeping it chill, man.
Most folks online ignore 1,400 years of real theology just to weaponize this topic and label all 2 billion of us as predators or terrorists.
Truly glad we could actually talk through the legal nuances like normal human beings.
@ILoveMilkSteak@zvzg1@proudkafirG I respect your thoughtful response.
The distinction is between timeless morals and historical customs.
The eternal moral command in the Qur'an is mental readiness (rushd, 4:6) and avoiding harm, how human societies reach that maturity naturally evolves over centuries.