Joshua Jones

[Joshua Jones @OrthodoxyAG]

@RomanosOrthodox @HosannaHosannaa Stop being dense and learn to think. My original example isn't exactly unheard of.

"Intention" matters.

Otherwise an atheist who is feigning desire to join the church (maybe for a laugh or to mock) can be regenerated with literally no faith or intention to be a Christian.

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@TacticoolOrtho Lol.

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@RomanosOrthodox @HosannaHosannaa Why would their Martyrdom mean anything if it wasn't their "intention" to obey Christ?

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@DianeKamer @yeagerdoxy @AL_J82 Even with the population being small compared to other denominations, it is impressive how much Orthodoxy bodies the online world.

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Yea, I am aware of that.

Why would God hold a catechumen accountable for not being baptized, when he is under obedience to a priest, who has not baptized him yet?

Assuming the catechumen is "Orthodox" in atleast the elementary principles of the faith, and fully intends to be baptized.

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I am not at all complaining about the inverse.

I am "complaining" because Myles is responding to the most natural comments in response to this post (incredulity, analyzing intellectually) saying "it's not even an argument, I just thought it would be interesting" and then saying "this just proves EO's are so argumentative".

As if protestants wouldn't do the same thing if a high profile EO account posted a conversion story from an ex protestant.

Every group does this!

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The fact that we have church fathers saying catechumens who are martyred would receive the grace of baptism would seem to point toward the possibility that catechumens, in good standing with The Church, would receive salvation if they died during their catechumenate if them being not baptized by that time was no fault of their own.

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@Truth_matters20 Unfortunately for you, protestantism isn't Christianity.

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@katofklysm @yung_bratko @blessedmikko PSA, Original Guilt. There's 2 right there.

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Salvation in your model is like a gold coin in the pocket, because nothing that gold coin actually does to you is the basis of your being saved, just simply having the coin is enough, and you apparently can never lose it.

If you want to add some extra reformed spice you can say you only have the coin because decreed you would have it before you were born, and the people that are punished for not having it, only don't have it because God didn't will from eternity for them to have it.

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@JPuncut @thrawnftw Didn't you bring Jake the Muslim metaphysician on to review something of Alex's with you?

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@ortho_no @fistofnicaea I don't know, I am not in authority to make that decision.

I know an ecumenical council, that Rome signed off on, retroactively anathematized (excommunicated) a pope.

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@ortho_no @fistofnicaea "If any clergyman or layman shall enter into a synagogue of Jews or heretics to pray, let the former be deposed and let the latter be excommunicated." - Apostolic Canon 64

How is it pure protestantism? Did I say every bishop? Or every priest?

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Apostasy can be verbal or in action. Pope Honorius was condemned after his death to be a heretic while he held the papal office. Can a heretic sit in the chair of Peter?

The last few popes have prayed in a mosque "jointly" with muslim clerics.

Where do you draw the line, and do you think the church fathers would be ok with this?

Also, every patriarch could be a heretic from the EO faith and it wouldn't disprove EO, because we don't have the same system you do. You do realize this, correct?

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@CloudLight93 @JamesDitto12 @Canonandcreed How does that make me a hypocrite exactly?

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@ortho_no @fistofnicaea It's not just a matter of sin, it's a matter of actions that would constitute apostasty.

Like praying in a mosque, kissing a Quran, celebrating pagan deities, etc....

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@whpub @JosephBenJ2 @IFFFMEISTER What constitutes this great apostasy? By what standard?

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Yes, I read it, along with thousands of other pages from Chrysostom and I have a hard time thinking he would have condemned, full stop, let's say....a catechumen going through his catchumenate process under obedience to a priest, and he dies suddenly, as him being baptized or not was not up to him in this circumstance.

Not to mention we have explicit statements from other saints about catechumens who are martyred receiving the grace of baptism through their martyrdom.

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@JamesDitto12 @Canonandcreed How am I a hypocrite?

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Of course we cheer, why wouldn't we?

Protestants cheer when stuff like this happens too, which is natural.

Protestants would also say things like "you were never saved", "you are an apostate", " you are an idolater now", etc.... insert negative response to someone converting to Orthodoxy.

This isn't a uniquely Orthodox thing.

You are sitting there responding to the comments like "look how contentious Orthodox are" as if we are the only group who would have something to say in response to someone leaving.