Chris DNR

I love Fishing, Server Administration, Development, Automation, Hiking, Backpacking, Mountain Biking. Fringe (on twitter)

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@Sarahsred7 As someone who grew up outside Utah and then moved here fairly young, Utah Mormons are real, and if you haven't noticed them it's probably because you've always lived in Utah.

A month after I moved here I told my mom "People here say they are Mormon, but they don't act Mormon".

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@JDLoCo134 @MattisRedacted Show me more than 1.

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@Sola_GPT Why are they susceptible to secularism?

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@ThoughtfulSaint Isn’t secularization just saying that something outside the Church weakened the Church’s exclusive credibility, and someone started evaluating the Church from outside its own authority claims?

If so, then the question is whether that is always immoral or if it can be legitimate.

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@raulofmustachio @stackerco No what? Complete dismissal without any argument isn't going to sway me.

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@raulofmustachio @stackerco No longer believing is an outcome, not an explanation. Let's say I read a book that explains how the moon landing happened, but I believe it's fake. After reading the book I find that the reasoning make sense and I decide that I believe it, did I have to believe it before I read?

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@mormons_speak @Ch_JesusChrist The article was so one sided it was honestly hard to read. I don't think he understands the idea that someone could have internal problems they need to fix _and_ Church culture might be a problem.

He says Church culture can be a problem, but you can tell he doesn't believe it.

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@RalphCHancock What is love and understanding allowed to do before virtue and accountability in your mind?

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@originaldmplus @RestoredTruth8 So say a truly faithful person finds Church historical/cultural/doctrine issues -> they study it sincerely -> they decide to leave. Did they leave because of the issues? Or because they lost faith?

Do you believe that pipeline is possible?

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@originaldmplus @RestoredTruth8 So are you saying that if someone is truly faithful, they will never find any problems with the truth claims, culture, or doctrine of the Church?

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@ThoughtfulSaint Maybe I’m missing it, but I’m trying to understand what would falsify this. What would count as evidence that someone left because of trust, culture, history, or conscience rather than secularization? Or does leaving itself prove secularization?

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@jesse_k_fox @bmariner @ThoughtfulSaint When I say "easily changed" I'm referencing the idea that members actually have power to make these changes, not that they are necessarily easy to make.

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@ThoughtfulSaint Just because the data doesn't represent all members who leave doesn't mean that it doesn't represent any or even many members who leave.

Self-selected doesn't mean useless.

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@bmariner @jesse_k_fox @ThoughtfulSaint How is Jeff de-emphasizing moral agency and accountability? In the podcasts I've watched from him he indicates that these are the things the we can easily change to help people stay. Not that they are the only things that need to be fixed.

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@ja855676064 @jesse_k_fox Some gentle push back on this. Sin exists both in and out of the Church. We are all sinners.

Some leave because of sin. Others struggle for years with truth claims and what they mean personally. You can’t reduce every faith transition to sin. People are too complicated for that.

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@MamaCAllen Moist? Say it 10 times, maybe you'll get it. It just comes out funny.

Moisture? When have you ever used the word moisture to describe water outside of a prayer? It's funny because It's a word rarely used outside of the context of prayer in the CoJCoLDS.

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@LDSMormon This feels like it subtly disconnects people from a real connection with God. Tithing is supposed to be worked out between you and God.

If the answer is always “just pay the most you can think of,” then that relationship kind of disappears. We show love to Him by conversation.

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@jonathanplumb @IornJaw "No prophet has been proven to have made mistakes. Ever."

Ever includes in private, and in actions.

"No prophet has ever erred in their words spoken while wearing the mantle of prophet."

Unfalsifiable, you'll define "wearing mantle of prophet" to mean whatever you want.

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@jonathanplumb Most people in the church would agree. There are more though.
- Lost 116 pages
- Adam-God Doctrine
- Race=Curse due to premortal behavior Doctrine
- Blood Atonement

Uchtdorf has claimed that leaders make mistakes.

How are you redefining words to have these not be mistakes?

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@TheKingSource @williejuancom @MarinasHammer An institute building is not a chapel, and also not a temple. You have a very strange view of what God's House is.