@theThinkInst If you'd ever actually read a council or the Fathers instead of looking for quotes, you'd know how often they quote or directly allude to Scripture. It's almost like the problem here is interpretation more than source material.
@BattlingBud@CaptKirkyDirky@GiraffeNeckMarc That some positions are more valuable defensively than others is an assumption, true. But you'd be hard pressed to argue otherwise with anyone, old or new school