Why would R.C. Sproul (who?) or any other Protestant care what Catholics do? They are not saying "this is a very serious matter" because they care about the salvation of Catholics. They are not worried about the eternal fate of Catholics. These are mostly Calvinists who believe they are "the elect" and everyone else is going to hell.
No, they say these things to justify their own enmity towards Mary and to justify their own separation from the Catholic Church, and to try to prevent those who have a natural filial desire to honor Mary, as she predicted all generations would, from doing so.
@t_e_vaughan@metathomist If you think Satan retains ‘some good,’ then you must believe humans do too right?
Which is semi‑Pelagianism.
Scripture says Satan is evil (John 8:44) and humans are dead in sin (Eph 2:1) In Gods eyes even our righteous deeds are as filthy (Menstrual) rags.
@t_e_vaughan@metathomist Scripture never says Satan retains ‘good.’
His power comes from God’s permission, not goodness. Job 1:12, Luke 22:31, and Rev 13:5 all show Satan acts only within limits God sets.
This is what happens when you go beyond Scripture
@metathomist@ReformedStill False assumption.. fleshly thinking..
TO Hear and see on earth requires Divine attributes like Omnipresence... and to some extend Omniscience..
To HEAR on earth from Heaven.. and to Know Gods will for that person..
🏛️ NEW FILING FROM ARCHBISHOP D’SOUZA
The Archbishop asks whether we must receive Christ and believe.
Yes.
The Council sees no dispute there. 😂
But John apparently anticipated the next question:
“But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God...” (John 1:12 ESV)
Keep reading:
“who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:13 ESV)
That seems rather relevant to a discussion about whose will ultimately explains salvation. 😂
Calvinism does not teach that sinners are saved without believing.
It teaches that God saves sinners in such a way that they actually believe.
We repent.
We believe.
We receive Christ.
But why?
Because salvation belongs to the Lord.
The Archbishop has correctly identified the means of receiving salvation.
The question before the Council remains:
What ultimately accounts for one sinner believing while another remains in unbelief?
Conveniently, the very next verse he didn't quote tells us where the new birth originates.
“But of God.”
The filing remains open. 🏛️😂
@CedarsAndSaints Welcome to Muslim propoganda..
Christ FELL on his face ONCE under the weight of what was about to take place.
Jews and Christians prostrated occasionally, not ritually,
and it wasn't like your video, No mat req
@catholicpat The Baby has NO FAITH or Knowledge of Christ..
Water Baptism is nothing more than an outward obedience to what has already taken place inside..
The TRUE Baptism.. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit which regenerates mans heart Titus 3:5
For there is ONE Baptism.. Eph 4:5 NOT MANY
@DineshDSouza NO!
If you are truly saved you say
Where will i go? only you have the Keys to eternal life Jn 6:68
NO They went out from us but they were not of us
for if they had been of us they would have continued with us
But they went out that it might become plain all are not of us 1Jn2:19
@CatholicDrip___ Sola Scriptura doesn’t remove the Judge .. Jesus says His Word judges us (Jn 12:48)
The Bereans tested even apostles by Scripture (Acts 17:11).
Debate isn’t meaningless.. Scripture is the final court of appeal.
Rome adds a human judge Jesus never authorized.”
@Catholic_Haze The Living on earth Can hear you..
The dead, but alive in Christ CANNOT
They do not possess divine abilities such as Omnipresence.. SO you would have to prove HOW they hear.. By What Means?
@AlexanderGotay@SolaDrip Catholics say they don’t worship Mary, but Scripture defines prayer, bowing, consecration, invocation, and trust as worship .. and Marian devotion includes all of those
The terminology changes, but the actions match what the Bible calls worship
Even if some dont, CLEARLY some do.
🏛️ THE COUNCIL REVIEWS A FILING FROM ARCHBISHOP D’SOUZA
The Archbishop objects to speculation that he and Leighton Flowers may be “vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.”
On the substance:
OBJECTION SUSTAINED.
Romans 9 teaches that vessels of wrath exist.
It does not authorize us to start attaching name tags to particular professing Christians.
The Council is perfectly capable of correcting its own side. 😂
However...
The Clerk has discovered something rather awkward in the record.
Archbishop D’Souza recently wondered whether Calvinists might discover that they were:
“at the top of the list of the damned.”
😂
So apparently speculation about the eternal destiny of theological opponents becomes “very un-Christian” when the speculation crosses the aisle.
The Council proposes a simpler standard:
Nobody gets to do it.
We can challenge arguments, expose bad exegesis, and strongly disagree without pretending we have been given access to the Lamb’s Book of Life.
Chris’s characterization is therefore rejected.
The Archbishop’s generalization about “Calvinist sensibility” is also rejected.
And the Archbishop is gently reminded that exhibits submitted to this Court may occasionally become evidence against the party submitting them. 😂🏛️
RULING ENTERED.
🏛️ THE COUNCIL REVIEWS A FILING FROM ARCHBISHOP D’SOUZA
The Archbishop objects to speculation that he and Leighton Flowers may be “vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.”
On the substance:
OBJECTION SUSTAINED.
Romans 9 teaches that vessels of wrath exist.
It does not authorize us to start attaching name tags to particular professing Christians.
The Council is perfectly capable of correcting its own side. 😂
However...
The Clerk has discovered something rather awkward in the record.
Archbishop D’Souza recently wondered whether Calvinists might discover that they were:
“at the top of the list of the damned.”
😂
So apparently speculation about the eternal destiny of theological opponents becomes “very un-Christian” when the speculation crosses the aisle.
The Council proposes a simpler standard:
Nobody gets to do it.
We can challenge arguments, expose bad exegesis, and strongly disagree without pretending we have been given access to the Lamb’s Book of Life.
Chris’s characterization is therefore rejected.
The Archbishop’s generalization about “Calvinist sensibility” is also rejected.
And the Archbishop is gently reminded that exhibits submitted to this Court may occasionally become evidence against the party submitting them. 😂🏛️
RULING ENTERED.
Ought does not imply can.
“It might be objected that if man has no ability to turn to God or to do good, then he has no free will, and God would not be just to command and judge sinners. … If God does not at least supply what each person needs to be saved if he so chooses, then God is unjust.
“This is an old Pelagian argument.
“In reply, we note that the Word of God teaches both human responsibility and human inability to please God apart from saving grace.”
— Beeke and Smalley, RST, 2:411
Indeed, Scripture repeatedly holds men responsible for that which Scripture says he is morally unable to do.
Inability: “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit” (Matt 7:18).
Responsibility: “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire” (Matt 7:19)
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Inability: “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44).
Responsibility: “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy laden” (Matt 11:28).
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Inability: “For this reason they could not believe...” (John 12:39).
Responsibility: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31).
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Inability: “I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go” (Exod 4:21).
Responsibility: “How long will you refuse to humble yourself before Me? Let My people go, that they may
serve Me” (Exod 10:3).
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Inability: “For behold, I am raising up the Chaldeans, That fierce and impetuous people Who march throughout the earth To seize dwelling places which are not theirs” (Hab 1:6).
Responsibility: “Then they will sweep through like the wind and pass on. But they will be held guilty, They whose strength is their god” (Hab 1:11).
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Responsibility: “Why does He still find fault?” (Rom 9:19a).
Inability: “For who resists His will?” (Rom 9:19b).
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Ought does not imply can. Responsibility does not imply moral ability. God’s commands expound our duty, not our capacity.
“The mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
— Romans 8:7–8