@redeemed_zoomer@RScottClark You said he didn’t have the patience to listen to you. I’m just saying I think he has heard you out and probably had a good reason for disagreeing with you. Maybe you should have more patience and listen to your elders, before you become a Rehoboam.
@redeemed_zoomer@RScottClark R Scott Clark has a PhD in historical theology from Oxford. He has been teaching church history for decades. Don’t you think you should have a bit of humility and listen to him?
D'Souza doesn't need to have a conversation with Sproul. He needs to read Saint Augustine's anti-Pelagian writings. For that fact, he could do a little reading in the 2nd Council of Orange, Prosper of Aquitaine, Aquinas' Summa Theologica, Gottschalk, Ratramnus, Bradwardine, Rimini, Wycliffe or Luther.
For that fact one can easily find the Apostolic Fathers teaching a simple doctrine of election.
What Calvin taught, on this topic, was traditional Augustinian anti-Pelagian doctrine.
When the Synod of Dort condemned the Remonstrants and Arminius, they were defending traditional Augustinian anti-Pelagian theology. They condemned the Remonstrants and Arminius repeatedly as Pelagians, whose theology had been condemned at Ephesus in AD 431.
D'Souza is a gifted writer on politics (he helped me) but he's not a theologian nor, apparently, is a scholar of the history of Christian doctrine. No need to get upset when an amateur, even a well-known, amateur begins attacking Augustinianism.
When Gottschalk rediscovered Augustine's anti-Pelagian writings for himself in the 9th century and repeated to others what he had learned he was beaten and jailed. Between the 6th century and the 9th century Augustine fell out of favor. He remained out of favor until the late middle ages when the Augustinians experienced a renaissance contra the Franciscans and their Pelagianism.
Without the neo-Augustinian recovery of the anti-Pelagian theology, there would have been no Reformation. It was the first thing Luther recovered on his way to becoming a Protestant. Erasmus objected and Luther wrote De servo arbitrio, which became a standard text among the Reformed. It fell out of favor among some Lutherans but Calvin followed it closely.
The doctrines of original sin and unconditional election are wonderfully scandalous and we should not marvel that people are offended. It's nothing new.
@redeemed_zoomer@ReallyOldLife Richard, please think about what you are doing. You’re telling faithful Presbyterians that their churches are *schismatic* and resting it on Rutherford…who doesn’t say what you say he says. You are binding mens’ conscience to extrabiblical commands. My brother in Christ, repent
@redeemed_zoomer@jtkiv@TooPresbyterian@ReallyOldLife Rutherford, Peaceable & Temperate Plea,
Conclusion 6: “to assent to corrupt doctrine, that is never lawful.”
Conclusion 8: we separate “from a Church overturning the foundation of religion.”
Trinitarian heresy is the foundation of religion. Which is in the PCUSA.
@redeemed_zoomer “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.“ 1 Cor 5:11
@redeemed_zoomer@nolibertarians Do you think Barth's influence on C67 moved the Mainline towards theological conservatism?
"The Scriptures, given under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, are nevertheless the words of men...They reflect views of life, history, and the cosmos which were then current."
@OREAR123@redeemed_zoomer@AnimeAugsburg What is the content of the TED Talk was the gospel?Furthermore,
Westminster Confession 29.2 -- "the Popish sacrifice of the mass, as they call it, is most abominably injurious to Christ's one only sacrifice, the alone propitiation for all the sins of the elect."
@redeemed_zoomer@BayouHuguenot@redeemed_zoomer How do you square Torrance's reading with McCormack — Barth's own most rigorous interpreter — arguing that Barth's mature doctrine of election makes the Trinity's triunity logically a function of election, not antecedent to it?
@redeemed_zoomer@ehenes@pftk_org Read the whole article and deeply concerned…. Repenting and confessing the moment the 🏳️🌈gets the least bit offended? I don’t get it.