Farmer Curmudgeon

Everything you need to know is found in a garden.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@Eng_china5 Fuck off. USA SSBNs will level you the moment you flinch. We are crawling all over the South China Sea. Don't hint at a threat.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@Seraphinaf5 71

[vittorio @IterIntellectus]

you must see LLMs as intelligence amplifiers and their amplification depends on your actual intelligence

so, if your IQ is 135+, with AI you can perform at the current AI maximum and it feels like real magic

if you’re 120-135, you get a good 50% buff

If you’re 105-120, you get a 25%

90-105, nothing changes

below 90 it makes you more stupid

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@ryanbrewer It's the question that matters.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@nvk You still think people are in control? That ship has sailed.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

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[Cliff Pickover @pickover]

"You don't understand anything until you learn it more than one way."

~Marvin Minsky (1927–2016) , American cognitive and computer scientist

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@LukeGromen @elonmusk @chamath Every time the disfranchised burn it all down.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@LynAldenContact -10

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@pwallenb @Saganismm IR night vision uses atmospheric windows or short tactical ranges. The greenhouse effect is the absorption bands (CO2 at ~15 μm etc.) that close off parts of the thermal IR spectrum and force emission from higher, colder layers. Different bands, different physics. Try again.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@jackmallers @comic @twentyone @jack @Strike There are many of us that know you are a Bitcoiner first. Fuck the haters.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@BitPaine Because a home is not a financial asset. It is a garden, family, joy, safety....
Free yourself from the brainwashing.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@DudeJLebowski @giacomozucco We are chomping at the bit.

[Beautyon @Beautyon_]

The claim being made here is that Bitcoin Core's development uses an "IETF-like consensus process," presented specifically as a reason the OP_RETURN relaxation in Core v30 should not be second-guessed by plebs.

The claim is very subtle, and partially uses the appeal to authority as thrust, but it's fundamentally wrong in the end.

IETF codifies its process in published "Best Current Practices"(BCP 9, BCP 25 and related RFCs).

The motto is "rough consensus and running code." Critically however, rough consensus is not unanimity and explicitly does not grant objectors a veto. A minority that has been heard and answered can be overruled however, so the mere existence of objections never, by itself, defeats consensus.

Beyond the pithy slogan, the legitimacy comes from procedural machinery not slogans: working groups chartered with a defined scope; a neutral chair who is responsible for judging whether rough consensus exists and documenting why; formal Working-Group Last Call and IETF-wide Last Call periods of fixed duration; IESG review where Area Directors can lodge a blocking "DISCUSS" that must be resolved; and a multi-level appeals process (chair → Area Director → IESG → IAB) on both technical and procedural grounds.

Take note that the people advocating a change are structurally separated from the people who declare that consensus has been reached, and any such declaration is contestable.

OP_RETURN's size cap (the ~80-byte default and the one-output-per-transaction default) was never a consensus rule. It was relay/standardness policy of what a default-configured node will accept into its mempool and forward, not what is valid in a block. Miners could already include larger data, and users could already change the setting in the bitcoin.conf file.

The v30 change removed those default limits (relaxing -datacarriersize / -datacarrier and the multiple-output restriction), making large and multiple OP_RETURN outputs standard by default. This is the controversial move, in addition to the planned eventual deprecating of the lever itself, cutting off user choice entirely.

The mechanism to do this was am ordinary GitHub pull request reviewed by via ACK/NACK, with maintainers alone deciding when "sufficient" review existed to merge. This was a small group of insiders who were provably hostile to outsiders and who would brook no interference in their unilateral decisions.

The myopic technical argument for it was that the limit was trivially bypassed via out-of-band submission to miners, and that it pushed spammers toward fake spendable outputs that permanently bloat the UTXO set, whereas OP_RETURN is provably prunable. This of course ignores the demonstrated side effect (bCash, that increase this parameter and got flooded with porn) that the unpruned database would be absolutely be increased in size without a proper reason, with non financial and illegal data. That is the argument against: it normalizes non-financial spam, exposes node runners to legal risk, and changes Bitcoin's character, and was merged over essentially correct, large-scale objection, hence there was no consensus.

The ethos attributed to Bitcoin Core genuinely rhymes with the IETF rough consensus rather than voting, emphasis on working/tested code (however, confirming code in a test script is not the same as running it in the human context of a live financial network with financial incentives to spam), open participation (in Core's case this is obviously not true, as they delete opposition), public archived discussion (also not true, as they change the history by censoring and deleting input from opposing voices), and Back's implicit corollary is correct on its own terms: in a real and actual IETF process (which is not what Core has), NACKs and a stream of GitHub thumbs-down would not automatically block a change.

The naive critic's syllogism ("there were objections, therefore no consensus, therefore illegitimate") misunderstands the IETF as much as it does Core. To that extent, Back has a defensible point and the thing he's mocking, treating disagreement as a veto, is not how the IETF works either.

Where the analogy breaks, and breaks precisely on the dimension he invokes, is the IETF's legitimacy is not in the slogan but in the machinery around the slogan, and that machinery is almost entirely absent in Core.

In Core there is no neutral chair whose job is to adjudicate and document whether rough consensus exists; the maintainers who merge are the same population advocating the merit, so advocate and arbiter are fused; an obvious and blatant conflict of interest.

There is no chartered scope, no formal Last Call window, no IESG-style blocking review by a separate body, and most importantly, no appeals process, all of which would have avoided the current situation, but which were explicitly rejected by Core.

Core is essentially therefore, a dictatorship in IETF clothing.

In the IETF the assertion that, "this was declared consensus improperly" is itself a reviewable, appealable claim. In Core, that same complaint has no procedural avenue; the only recourse is exit; running Bitcoin Knots or a custom config.

That exit option is also weaker than the IETF equivalent, because of a category difference Back's analogy elides.

IETF outputs are voluntary specifications; an implementer who dislikes an RFC simply doesn't implement it, with no effect on anyone else.

A Bitcoin Core relay-policy default has emergent, very serious, even lethal network-wide consequences; what the bulk of the default-configured network relays and what therefore reaches miners. This is a known emergent behaviour once again, thanks to the experiments run by bCash, where the predicted outcomes of increasing OP_RETURN have already been seen.

"Run different software" is a real safety valve, but it is not the clean, consequence-free opt-out that ignoring an RFC is.

On the consensus controversy specifically, this is where the claim is at its weakest and most threadbare.

The real defect is who overruled the community and by what reviewable procedure; in fact there was no procedure in place. In the IETF, overruling a minority requires a neutral party to declare rough consensus, give reasons, and expose that declaration to appeal.

The OP_RETURN merge had none of those features. So invoking "IETF-like consensus process" to defend that particular decision selects the one comparison the decision least satisfies: the IETF's distinctive contribution is exactly the neutral consensus-call-plus-appeals apparatus that was missing here.

The fact of the matter is that the parts of the IETF that are genuinely consensus-process (neutral arbitration, last call, appeals) are the parts Core deliberately lacks, and the parts Core shares (rough-consensus ethos, running code, open lists) are the parts that don't, by themselves, resolve a contested "was there consensus?" question. Back therefore can't invoke IETF in the way that he does, attempting to transfer the credibility of the IETF to Core by Meme Magic, because Core does not share the IETF's essential attributes and processes.

Back is partially correct as a very rough and ready, Social Media influence attempt ethos analogy but it is fundamentally incorrect, and materially overstated as a description of governance structure, and the OP_RETURN case is close to the worst example he could have chosen to anchor the claim, because the controversy turns on the absence of precisely the IETF features that confer procedural legitimacy.

The OP_RETURN inclusion process was illegitimate on its face therefore, and this cannot be argued against cleanly by invoking the IETF.

Core's process is better described as maintainer rough-consensus with exit-by-forking than as IETF-like. It shares the IETF's slogan, but that is simple Virtue Signalling; it does not share the IETF's separation of powers, neutral consensus determination, or appeals. Which are the important parts that make the IETF actually legitimate, and not just appearing to be legitimate.

The Core Conspiracy, which it can be rightly called because a small number of people and corporations literally conspired to increase OP_RETURN, cannot be transformed into something legitimate by simply comparing it to something that is actually legitimate.

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[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@dotkrueger That thinking is a dime a dozen

[Resist the Mainstream @ResisttheMS]

Bob Odenkirk steps back into his Better Call Saul role for a 250-year US anniversary video.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@DiligentDenizen A literal circus.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@arshdilbagi Bad, bad idea. This is a breeding ground for emergent behaviors. Irresponsible. You are a naive idiot.
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[Time Capsule Tales @timecaptales]

William Shatner’s unforgettable performance of Elton John’s ‘Rocket Man’ at the 1978 Saturn Awards.

[Farmer Curmudgeon @oldTiredMean]

@glennbeck SPR drawdown?